[SA] GK110 aka GTX 680 release date: Late Q3 '12

[Grooveriding]

What a joke of a troll.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

I love it. No one can show any evidence to counter what I've said and posted proof of. You're going to ignore it like it doesn't exist.

Tell me what I've said that's false so far.

The 590/6990 are irrelevant because they're basically EOL. Now do all of us a favor and go away.

 

[Quantos]

I'm not arguing performance per dollar or watt. Just straight performance. Nvidia is high end, amd is low.

Yes they do. Its called the GTX 590.

These two statements combined - that AMD is low end and that the only thing that currently beats AMD cards is the GTX 590 - means that to you, the GTX 590 is the ONLY high end card on the market, and that the next card in speed, either the 6990 or 7970, is low end? Not just lower end, but low end?

Dude...

 

[MaxPayne63]

I've made this point a lot, but there's always a few ignorant people who never seem to get it: In a lot of countries, electricity is a good three times more than the price in USA or even much higher. Unless you feel the USA is the only market for GPUs, then perf/w is a major factor.

People don't get it because it's an extremely poor argument. Buying a 7970 over a 580 would save me less than $30/year even at triple my rate. If I cared about $30 a year I wouldn't be buying a $550 video card in the first place. There are compelling reasons to buy a 7970 over a 580 if you're upgrading right now, but perf/watt isn't one of them.

And aren't these parts also more expensive in many overseas markets?

 

[L33tMasta]

These two statements combined - that AMD is low end and that the only thing that currently beats AMD cards is the GTX 590 - means that to you, the GTX 590 is the ONLY high end card on the market, and that the next card in speed, either the 6990 or 7970, is low end? Not just lower end, but low end?

Dude...

I'm gonna level with you. I do believe that the PC market is divided in to 2 parts. Those with the fastest and those without. So the fact that nobodies has an OLDER card that can beat out AMD's NEWER card just goes to show you that the age old tale of AMD always being behind the total performance curve is true. I'm not arguing performance per dollar or watt. Just total performance. With nVidia saying a 50% boost in total performance for Kepler I'm very optimistic. I am unfortunately in the "not" section right now with my GRX 295 but that's because AMD and nVidia didn't come out with a card that could beat it in total performance until the 580s came out.

The 590/6990 are irrelevant because they're basically EOL. Now do all of us a favor and go away.

The 590 is not EOL. I'm looking at them on newegg.ca right now. And I see no notices anywhere of EOL for them. It doesn't make any sense either. Why would AMD and nVidia EOL their FASTEST cards?

 

[blackened23]

Yes they do. Its called the GTX 590.



The conclusion is simply supported by legitimate and proven review sites. And what are you going on about cherries for? Guess you don't have anything relevant to contribute to counter my argument and proof.

Yeah, i'll just give this one to virge and resist the urge to respond (aside from the obvious single chip gpu comparisons, etc)

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

I'm gonna level with you. I do believe that the PC market is divided in to 2 parts. Those with the fastest and those without. So the fact that nobodies has an OLDER card that can beat out AMD's NEWER card just goes to show you that the age old tale of AMD always being behind the total performance curve is true. I'm not arguing performance per dollar or watt. Just total performance. With nVidia saying a 50% boost in total performance for Kepler I'm very optimistic. I am unfortunately in the "not" section right now with my GRX 295 but that's because AMD and nVidia didn't come out with a card that could beat it in total performance until the 580s came out.



The 590 is not EOL. I'm looking at them on newegg.ca right now. And I see no notices anywhere of EOL for them. It doesn't make any sense either. Why would AMD and nVidia EOL their FASTEST cards?

Just like you can find GTX 460s, too. Doesn't mean they're not EOL.

Go back under your bridge.

 

[railven]

Wow your post is all over the place.... Lets see... I never told you to wait for anything, I never said you were waiting for anything, Ivy Bridge has nothing to do with this, I don't care how often and how many times you've upgraded, I never said anything about disregarding criteria and purchasing a slower older product, you spelled "arguments" wrong, you're getting really wound up over the simple fact that the hd7950 isn't a very good buy (PROOF), and I really can't see how just about everything you said has to do with that one simple fact.

And when, exactly, did I tell you to wait for Kepler? I just looked over all my posts and I don't seem to see anything that said "you should wait for Kepler." The closest I came was that "I" - as in me and not you - "will wait patiently until the performance range of that both of these products are in trickle down to lower price points." So, is the joke is still on me because you are making up things that I said now?

So, in order for someone to accept blame they have to directly say what they are accused of? Interesting. Since you read the history of our conversation you saw me defend my decision to buy a product on the market now and state how it is ~10% more in cost but ~20% faster. You then decided to call me a corporate shill and exempted yourself from the statement by saying you'd prefer to wait. What exactly does that imply? A) I'm a corporate shill if I buy NOW OR B) I'm not a corporate shill if I wait, like you would. Hmmm...Clearly I must be a corporate shill, or I should wait. Interesting.

You continue to attack my position, and me directly, and then even state my question has a "no brainer" answer that contradicts what you accused me of, which is of course being a corporate shill. How does that work?

Now you provide more proof that further justifies my original statement, value is value regardless what threshold you wish to use - EDIT: It's actually cheaper, excluding rebates , for ~5% more performance + the amenities of it being on a smaller node and new architecture, and yet you still continue to argue that I am the corporate shill. Does logic not function in your mindset?

So, to recap our conversation, and pardon me that I don't have spell-checker on my work computer I'll make sure to properly edit this post so you run out of things to nitpick and stick to the content of my posts:
A) buying a product now that meets a budget bracket and being faster is WRONG because that performance position existed 14 months ago.
B) not waiting for competition to drive prices down NOW is WRONG because, well you'd buy the product that is not your opponent's preferred choice and thus makes you a corporate shill.
C) regardless of what perceived value you argue (be it lower temps, more performance, or less power consumption) is WRONG because it is only marginal yet the same cost as the opponent's offering.

So, again, how am I the corporate shill? It seems in my decision to buy NOW is well supported and yet, I'm wrong and shilling because nVidia hasn't delivered competition? Wow. Next you'll throw another tantrum and run to ABT for the circle jerk because everyone there agrees - AMD is bad.

Sorry guy, not everyone uses your metrics to judge a product and your arguments, hey see it's spelled right, are weak to the point where you've yet to make a solid statement to defend your position outside of suggesting "to wait" - of course even though you didn't directly say it, which of course removes fault. Haha.

As for emotional, I'm cool and collective. You want me to sprinkle emoticons around so it doesn't sound as harsh? How about you try to counter my points instead of attacking my character and accuse me of being a corporate cheerleader, which oddly enough - you're doing a much better job at it than me.

 

[Tempered81]

Look again. The top card is nvidia.

I think we all know what beats 580 sli. Therefore, AMD has the fastest card/cards/single gpu/multi card/multi-gpu/ everything.

Haters gonna hate! ;-P

bro, nothin beats amd, im sorry you had to hear this:

 

[thilanliyan]

Is there like an nVidia fanboy training camp somewhere churning out one a week or something? Lol.

 

[blackened23]

Is there like an nVidia fanboy training camp somewhere churning out one a week or something? Lol.

No, not nvidia, Apple. Except they churn out 10k a week...and they are the worst of the worst fanboys

 

[Quantos]

I'm gonna level with you. I do believe that the PC market is divided in to 2 parts. Those with the fastest and those without. So the fact that nobodies has an OLDER card that can beat out AMD's NEWER card just goes to show you that the age old tale of AMD always being behind the total performance curve is true. I'm not arguing performance per dollar or watt. Just total performance. With nVidia saying a 50% boost in total performance for Kepler I'm very optimistic. I am unfortunately in the "not" section right now with my GRX 295 but that's because AMD and nVidia didn't come out with a card that could beat it in total performance until the 580s came out.

So again coming back to what you said, that means that with the exception of the GTX 590, Nvidia also is low end, and AMD is completely low end? How can you not see that things are not this black and white? Even ignoring the fact that the GTX 590 comes with its load of trouble because it's dual GPU, you act as if the GTX 590 was MILES ahead of everything else, when it really isn't.

 

[Tempered81]

I probably shouldnt have shown L33tmasta those benchmarks. He has no laughable responses for all of us...

 

[Silverforce11]

People don't get it because it's an extremely poor argument. Buying a 7970 over a 580 would save me less than $30/year even at triple my rate. If I cared about $30 a year I wouldn't be buying a $550 video card in the first place. There are compelling reasons to buy a 7970 over a 580 if you're upgrading right now, but perf/watt isn't one of them.

And aren't these parts also more expensive in many overseas markets?

See, i care about $30 a year because i use my GPUs for 2-3 years, over its lifetime thats nearly $100 already.

I care that the 7950 is $50 too expensive and did not buy it. If it was released at $400, i would be all over it. Like many people here, we think its a good card, just a bit too expensive. That "bit" is less than the electricity cost over its lifetime.

If you had to pick between two cards of similar price and performance, and you care about price (as most ppl do), shouldn't you look at the one that saves money in the long run? You've just proven my point completely valid.

ps. Yes, i hope gk104 will offer amazing perf/$ and perf/w, that way consumers win with good competition.

 

[blackened23]

I probably shouldnt have shown L33tmasta those benchmarks. He has no laughable responses for all of us...

AT was obviously paid off by AMD to fake those benchmarks. There you have it (disclaimer: no, i'm not serious)

 

[railven]

Just look at that tremendous value!

Suddenly overclocking is, yet again, disregarded. Maybe I should pull up some GTX 460 threads - it was the bang for buck leader right? Just about any one would OC to 900mhz+ on the core right?

Wow it's like GTX 590 all over again. Suddenly what was is touted in one argument is completely ignored in another conservation because it disproves your point.

I guess Tom had it wrong too:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pentium-dual-core,1683-11.html

The overclocked Pentium Dual Core Compare Prices on Pentium Dual Core Processors made an excellent impression in most of the benchmarks, although it cannot beat the powerful Core 2 Duo CPUs with their 4 MB L2 cache in the gaming benchmarks and WinRAR. In fact, the Pentium Dual Core clocked at 3.2 GHz can compete with the Core 2 Duo E6750 in many of our benchmarks. Don't forget that we're talking about a $89 processor. It is safe to say that this product offers by far the best bang for the buck ever - never before could you get so much performance for so little money. But you don't have to mind going into overclocking.

 

[MaxPayne63]

See, i care about $30 a year because i use my GPUs for 2-3 years, over its lifetime thats nearly $100 already.

I care that the 7950 is $50 too expensive and did not buy it. If it was released at $400, i would be all over it. Like many people here, we think its a good card, just a bit too expensive. That "bit" is less than the electricity cost over its lifetime.

If you had to pick between two cards of similar price and performance, and you care about price (as most ppl do), shouldn't you look at the one that saves money in the long run? You've just proven my point completely valid.

The thing is they aren't similar price and performance - the AMD part is better. Power consumption at this time is just a perk, not a compelling reason to buy one card over another.

If the 680 was released tomorrow and consumed just as much power as a 580 but was 25% faster than a 7970 (same cost up front) would you still choose a 7970?

 

[L33tMasta]

Haha oh man. This is glorious. Go look up the quad-sli rigs with 4 GTX 590s in them. They destroy anything AMD has in single or multiple card variants.

Amateurs.

"Amateurs" is over the line. You should have stopped the post before adding that little zinger of yours, as it serves no purpose other than to incite more hostility.

Moderator jvroig

 

[Silverforce11]

The thing is they aren't similar price and performance - the AMD part is better. Power consumption at this time is just a perk, not a compelling reason to buy one card over another.

If the 680 was released tomorrow and consumed just as much power as a 580 but was 25% faster than a 7970 (same cost up front) would you still choose a 7970?

IF the 680 was released using 300W and is 25% faster than 7970 and go for the same price as the 7970, i would buy the 680. It uses more power but delivers more performance at the same price point, thus its perf/$ and perf/w overall is better.

My posts about perf/w is to point out that people who pick cards based on their prices, often less than $50 difference between products of similar performance are ignorant if they don't take perf/w into consideration because in the long run it may matter more than the initial purchase cost difference.

It's a simple point. Power consumption matters as much as the price of the cards. Perf/$ and perf/w go hand in hand unless you pay absolutely next to nothing for electricity, which the USA has that benefit, but elsewhere, no.

 

[blastingcap]

Join date in 2006 and 73 posts, many of which are about as valuable as the ones in this thread.

Stop feeding it, people. Stop feeding it.

I believe it is an automatic infraction/ban if you have multiple accounts on ATF, by the way.

 

[L33tMasta]

Join date in 2006 and 73 posts, many of which are about as valuable as the ones in this thread.

Stop feeding it, people. Stop feeding it.

I believe it is an automatic infraction/ban if you have multiple accounts on ATF, by the way.

Your critique of my posts is invaluable. I would have had to pay THOUSANDS of dollars for a professional to look them all over and give me an assessment and then quote me rules that aren't applicable. Thanks for saving me so much money.

 

[blackened23]

Haha oh man. This is glorious. Go look up the quad-sli rigs with 4 GTX 590s in them. They destroy anything AMD has in single or multiple card variants.

Amateurs.

 

[badb0y]

Haha oh man. This is glorious. Go look up the quad-sli rigs with 4 GTX 590s in them. They destroy anything AMD has in single or multiple card variants.

Amateurs.

Is this even possible...

 

[L33tMasta]

Is this even possible...

I've seen rigs do it. It's amazing how much better SLi is than crossfire. AMD behind in the game as usual though.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Haha oh man. This is glorious. Go look up the quad-sli rigs with 4 GTX 590s in them. They destroy anything AMD has in single or multiple card variants.

Amateurs.

Four GTX590's? Wut

I shouldn't stoop this low, not take the bait, but meh...

The GTX590 in all it's glory: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRo-1VFMcbc&feature=player_embedded#!

I'll take an overclocked 6990 over that. Actually, I'll just keep overclocking my 7970 and go for ~1.3GHz.

The 6990 and GTX590 are fine cards for what they are, but they obviously have all the multi-GPU short comings. It's really comparing apples and oranges when comparing a multi-GPU card to a fast single GPU card.