Ryzen 5 1600 and AMD Ryzen Balanced Power mode

[astrosfan315]

I just built me a Ryzen system (I'll list parts at end) and updated the AMD chipset and it now includes a new Win 10 power state called AMD Ryzen Balanced Power. By default this puts my processor at 3.4 and boosts to 3.7 ghz. I have double checked this with CPUz and Ryzen Master running. Prior to installing this latest driver in balanced mode it would run at 1.6ghz and then boost as high as 3.6ghz with all kinds of speeds in between.

Question..is this the new normal for this chip with this new Ryzen power state?

I'm thinking it is, in which case out of the box now with this power state the 1600 cpu is actually 3.4/3.7 instead of the 3.2/3.6 as advertised. I haven't started overclocking as I'm waiting for my AIO corsair to be delivered, so it's just on stock spire now.

Setup:

• Ryzen 5 1600
• X370 Taichi
• 2x8GB Geil Super Luce DDR2400 @ 2400mhz
• 250 GB 960 Evo NVMe
• Phanteks P400 (2 x 120mm intake in front, 1 x 120mm in rear for now until radiator shows up)

*UPDATE* 8/24/17

I have been using the new Ryzen Power Mode and also OC'd my CPU to 3.8ghz through bios and OC'd my GPU a little bit. Stressed it and CPU got up to about 68C with the stock cooler. Playing games and such it is around 62C or less. I mainly play SWTOR and cpu temp stays around 41 and my GPU stays so low the fan never kicks on. I ran FireStrike and got a total score of 12002, which I guess is okay. Anyway, I'm happy all cores at 3.8ghz all the time so who cares about the boost stuff now LOL.

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/21759382

 

[IEC]

3.2GHz is the base clock
3.6GHz is the default boost (up to 2-core) clock
3.3GHz is the default all-core boost clock

XFR is the wildcard: it adds up to +100MHz to boost and all-core boost clocks if your cooling allows.

So for the 1600, the out of the box all-core clock is 3.4GHz, with the up to 2 core clock being 3.7GHz.

My 1600 will run 100% load across 12 threads on BOINC @ 3.4GHz with the stock cooler.

 

[astrosfan315]

I ran stress test on cpuz and it didn't boost, it stayed at 3.4. I ran just a quick bench from user benchmark website and it boosted to 3.7 and gave me a UFO for workstation. So, all of this from what you've written sounds completely normal and is what is expected of these newer chips.

Personally I'm coming from an i5-750 system (prior was Athlon X series) so I'm back in AMD's corner and trying to catch up on the new specs. Thanks for the info on XFR, I was able to read up on it some and when I get my corsair AIO installed I'll probably see some more jumping with the speed, but then again I'll be OC'ing through the bios so it will probably take it all out of the equation, but give it a resting state of 3.4 I'm assuming then boost to 4.0 or whatever I'm able to achieve. With my x370 Taichi and gold rated 650w PSU I should be able to as long as my cooling is squared away.

 

[VirtualLarry]

How do you get this new power-management profile? I've installed the newest AMD All-in-One drivers from ASRock's site for my board, dated from May 2017, I think.

I also installed a fresh install of Win10 Pro 64-bit Creator's Update.

Not sure where / how you're seeing this. Also, have Ryzen Master installed, a fresh copy from today.

 

[tential]

I would HOPE the balanced powermode would downclock below 3.4 ghz base clocks when it's not being stressed.

Intel CPU s have a base and boost clock too. IT still clocks below that to save power when it can in balanced modes. I'm not a monster, I don't just destroy the environment for fun. I do it to game!

 

[IEC]

I would HOPE the balanced powermode would downclock below 3.4 ghz base clocks when it's not being stressed.

Intel CPU s have a base and boost clock too. IT still clocks below that to save power when it can in balanced modes. I'm not a monster, I don't just destroy the environment for fun. I do it to game!

Ryzen has hardware power saving features, so even if you disable downclocking by selecting high performance mode, power draw is drastically reduced at idle.

 

[astrosfan315]

How do you get this new power-management profile? I've installed the newest AMD All-in-One drivers from ASRock's site for my board, dated from May 2017, I think.

I also installed a fresh install of Win10 Pro 64-bit Creator's Update.

Not sure where / how you're seeing this. Also, have Ryzen Master installed, a fresh copy from today.

I had installed latest from AS Rock as well, then was just reading about overclocking and there was a news story about Ryzen Balanced Mode I read. I downloaded it direct from their site..but it said I already had it installed. I went ahead and installed the one from AMD anyway, checked settings/power management and it was set to Ryzen mode. I messed around a bit putting into power saving and saw the ghz drop to 1.55 and then went to put it back in Ryzen mode and it was gone..replaced with balanced mode again. So, I clicked on the tab 'more modes' and it was listed there, so put it back in Ryzen mode and back to 3.4 clock speed.

*EDIT* Sorry it is called 'Additional Modes' not more modes ha.

news story I read: http://techreport.com/news/31802/amd-ships-ryzen-balanced-power-plan-with-latest-chipset-drivers

AMD chipset driver I installed: http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/chipset?os=Windows+10+-+64

 

[gr33nbits]

astrosfan315 It's exactly the same with mine ive the same speeds 3.4/3.7 on all cores, this is just awesome and glad it's not just me cause i was trying all available software to see if this was really the speeds and they are, so yes seems AMD Ryzen Power Plan is the real deal. For now im not overclocking no need it's a beast already.

Ryzen 5 1600 @ stock
MSI B350 Gaming Plus
2x8 Gskill Trident Z 3200 @ 2666 for now seems the best, super stable.

 

[plopke]

Now I have a ryzen 1700 and RX 470 , the graphics drivers do now and then update themself. But if i wanted to download the latest 17.10 chipset drivers(the one with the new powerplan) it would say new control panel already installed, because it also install graphics drivers.

Am i missing something here because this feels so stupid if i want the latest chipset drivers the best way is to clean remove the graphics drivers then install the chipset drivers to then again install the newer graphics drivers to be sure everything from chipset and graphics is installed ????

On a site note , the ryzen balanced power plan only drops to 2,5-2,7 GHZ while windows balanced drops it all the way down to 1,5 most of the time. So then i might as well run high performance of windows.

 

[gr33nbits]

Yes i had same issue with the drivers/chipset but still installed and my RX gpu stayed with last drivers, yes Windows balanced will drop mine to 600mhz i think if the idle goes really idle but the MHz is not all that matters is what they consume that matters even if like mine stays at 3.4 idle with low Watts i don't mind if it's not 1.5Ghz. Ryzen Power Plan is made to Ryzen cpu's and Windows Balanced and High Performance are not.
Besides we were saying that our chips are working better then specs out the box in the Ryzen Power Plan.

@plopke Great combo you have there with the R7 1700 and the RX470, yes go High Performance if you prefer it.

 

[William Gaatjes]

I do not know if it is relevant, but in the graph form the Stilt, it shows that it does not make much difference anymore to clock ryzen much lower than 2.2GHz.
Maybe that is why with the AMD power plan it does not clock lower.

I have also plans for a 1600. I am not planning to overclock the cpu cores but i do like to run the memory at 2933 or higher.

Right now this is my wish list that i will have to buy to upgrade my pc.

Samsung 960 PRO, 512 GB SSD
AMD Ryzen 5 1600, 3,6 Ghz, 6C/12T
ASROCK AB350M (uATX)
Scythe Shuriken Rev. B, CPU-koeler
HyperX Predator DDR4 3200Mhz CL16 - HX432C16PB3K2/8 (8GB)
Another Windows 10 -64 bit (So that i can convert and use my current APU based system as media pc).

I will be pairing the ryzen based system with a 520W power supply, a 500GB HDD and an RX480 8GB that i already own.
I am still saving up and holding off a few more months at the same time to give AMD more time to come up with improved agesa code and ASROCK for BIOS updates that use it.
I like stability.




EDIT:
I forgot to properly explain (with respect to the graph) why lowering clock alone does not do much for reducing power consumption when compared to reducing voltage :
This formula can be used as a rule of thumb :

Processor power consumption.
P = C * V^2 * f .

C= transistor capacitance (gate to source capacitance and gate to drain capacitance.
V = voltage applied.
f = frequency.

As you can see, the power consumption reduction comes mainly because of the voltage being squared is reduced. Of course reducing the frequency also has effect but not as much as reducing the voltage. At 2.0GHz the voltage cannot be lowered anymore than 700mV i think.

 

[gr33nbits]

It's a good choice of products on that list some don't really make sense to me like the cpu cooler if you not going to overclock the cpu the Ryzen 5 1600 comes already with a 95w tdp cooler that can even stand some overclock of course you can't go crazy on stock cooler but you can oc even with the stock cooler, about ASROCK bios updates im not sure but my MSI keeps releasing bios updates.
Ryzen stablity is awesome haven't noticed a difference from a Intel system i had before well beside being a monster compared to my old Intel system, unless you are talking about memory stability and there you should really read the ASROCK memory compability.

 

[William Gaatjes]

It's a good choice of products on that list some don't really make sense to me like the cpu cooler if you not going to overclock the cpu the Ryzen 5 1600 comes already with a 95w tdp cooler that can even stand some overclock of course you can't go crazy on stock cooler but you can oc even with the stock cooler, about ASROCK bios updates im not sure but my MSI keeps releasing bios updates.
Ryzen stablity is awesome haven't noticed a difference from a Intel system i had before well beside being a monster compared to my old Intel system, unless you are talking about memory stability and there you should really read the ASROCK memory compability.

I already own the shiruken REV B (I always get it confused with the big shiruken which has 5 heat pipes) for my current system and i am very pleased with it. Because of the large fan and the way the heatsink is designed, it is also very good at cooling the surrounding electronics and is AM4 compatible because it uses the plastic retainer clips.

The other real reason is that i was planning for a 1600x which does not have a cooler supplied.
This cooler is rated for up to 95W and it seems that even a 1600x at all cores full load does not consume more than 75 watts.

Anyway, a surplus of cooling capabilities is always good.
And to be honest, i am still thinking of what to buy, a 1600 or a 1600x.
One day i decided for a 1600, the other day the 1600x is my favorite.
I still have lot of time to decide.

 

[Pick2]

Look deep down inside ... you will know that the 1700 is your soul mate !

 

[William Gaatjes]

Look deep down inside ... you will know that the 1700 is your soul mate !

If i go that road, i am afraid i will end up with a Threadripper based machine.
That angel from heaven that Markfw owns.

 

[formulav8]

3.3GHz is the default all-core boost clock

Mine shows an all-core boost of 3.4ghz IIRC. Edit: 3.6ghz max boost without xfr looks to be correct. I really thought I was seeing 3.7ghz before on single core boost.

 

[gr33nbits]

@formulav8 You mean Ryzen 5 1600?

 

[formulav8]

double post

 

[formulav8]

@formulav8 You mean Ryzen 5 1600?

Yes, 1600 non-x. 3.2ghz base, and i'm seeing 3.4ghz all core boost I guess with xfr..

 

[VirtualLarry]

Right now this is my wish list that i will have to buy to upgrade my pc.

Samsung 960 PRO, 512 GB SSD
AMD Ryzen 5 1600, 3,6 Ghz, 6C/12T
ASROCK AB350M (uATX)
Scythe Shuriken Rev. B, CPU-koeler
HyperX Predator DDR4 3200Mhz CL16 - HX432C16PB3K2/8 (8GB)
Another Windows 10 -64 bit (So that i can convert and use my current APU based system as media pc).

I will be pairing the ryzen based system with a 520W power supply, a 500GB HDD and an RX480 8GB that i already own.

Why the AB350M, rather than the AB350M Pro4? I think that the Pro4 has an additional SATA M.2 slot, and better VRMs. (Still only a three-phase for CPU vcore, but doubled.) For like $5-10 USD more money.

I own several of the Pro4 boards, and the VRMs are pretty robust, that I can see. Except, there's only limited settings for OC. No LLC or vSoC settings. But it will let you either specify a manual clock, and manual voltage. RAM compatibility could be better. (I've got a couple of rigs with Team Vulcan DDR4-3000 2x8GB 16-18-18-38 1.350V, they won't run 100% reliably at higher than 2667. Will boot, sometimes, at 2800.)

 

[William Gaatjes]

Why the AB350M, rather than the AB350M Pro4? I think that the Pro4 has an additional SATA M.2 slot, and better VRMs. (Still only a three-phase for CPU vcore, but doubled.) For like $5-10 USD more money.

I own several of the Pro4 boards, and the VRMs are pretty robust, that I can see. Except, there's only limited settings for OC. No LLC or vSoC settings. But it will let you either specify a manual clock, and manual voltage. RAM compatibility could be better. (I've got a couple of rigs with Team Vulcan DDR4-3000 2x8GB 16-18-18-38 1.350V, they won't run 100% reliably at higher than 2667. Will boot, sometimes, at 2800.)

Well, the extra M2 slot and second pcie slot for a second gpu i do not need.
And i was hoping that the more easy layout would improve routing and thus memory capability.
Are you sure that the AB350M only has 3 phases without doublers ? I see 6 storage inductors on the left for both boards that i assumed were for the cpu cores . I thought the 3 storage inductors on the top were only for memory and I/O.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Look for buildzoid's video on the AB350M (Pro4) VRMs on YouTube. He goes over all of that. Apparently, the VRM controller that they use, only has three channels for the CPU VRMs, but they drive a pair of MOSFETs and inductors each, so it's got the power of 6 phases, but it really only has three, so overclocking and voltage stability may suffer slightly.

I haven't had too much trouble with it, but my overclocking requires a lot of voltage to get stable, compared to some people that have motherboards with all "real" vcore phases, and LLC settings available in the UEFI.

Edit: Saw that Newegg on ebay wanted only $59.99 FS for the AB350M, and from your pics, it seems like it has similar VRMs to the Pro4, so I snagged a couple, for future Ryzen 3 builds. (Trying to decide between 1200 and 1300X. Want 3.8+Ghz on them. Heard that the 1300X is binned better.)

 

[gr33nbits]

Yes, 1600 non-x. 3.2ghz base, and i'm seeing 3.4ghz all core boost I guess with xfr..

Yeh weird im on all auto on bios and just cause of Ryzen Power Plan im 3.4base and 3.7 turbo and thats all cores.
Temps are 40º'0s idle to 64º load when playing games for hours and hours, i could lower the temps but ive all my case fans with 1k rpm so they silent and cpu curve is good cause it idles on 900rpm and goes to 1500rpm when cpu gets to 60ºs like playing games, i like to have it silent and think temps are ok!?

 

[formulav8]

and think temps are ok!?

Yes sir, your temps look good. You're good to go.

 

[gr33nbits]

Yes sir, your temps look good. You're good to go.

Thank you.