You want either AMD or Intel to put a safe value for overclocking on their websites? The same overclocking that voids warranties for both brands?
Because you advised people to exercise caution with a specific CPU family based on the experience of a known hardcore overclocker:
Yeshua your entire post history is a defense of the hardware vulnerabilities in Intel's chips, how AMD would be totally irrelevant with an 8-core TGL proc, how your 3700 is not achieving optimal frequencies, etc, you're essentially here with an agenda
A known overclocker admits to overclocking without any caution, and somebody has to post it here saying "exercise caution" ? I think somebody has an agenda.
It's been epic seeing the releases go from laughable (later FX series) to really promising (Zen) to quite excellent (Zen+) to fundamentally superior in most respects (Zen2). Good products speak for themselves
However, it seems like a few people may need to adjust how they think about enthusiast CPU experiences with regards to the Zen2 in particular. I find it basically counterproductive to bother with any manual OC or overvolting. Gains are absolutely minimal short of subambient class cooling setups, and often you will see REDUCED performance by screwing with it. They are exceptionally optimized out of the box from the word go in that respect, and the chief way to enhance your performance a bit is to combine it with friendly DDR4 and carefully follow guides and the Ryzen memory calculator to achieve best results for bandwidth, latency, and real world performance.
It's just a different way of doing things. Perhaps not as exciting as it once was where we'd get excited as enthusiasts about particular steppings and how much we could tune and OC systems 10, 20, even as much as 50 percent beyond stock performance. That just isn't the way Zen2 behaves. And that's fine, arguably it's superior due to not needing silicon lottery and heavy effort and combining with OC style mobos to achieve the results you want.
7nm TSMC is extremely dense, and limits seem based around areal density causing hotspotting that cannot be effectively radiated away from such miniscule surface areas. AMD has tuned and binned these SKUs to not leave basically anything on the table from stock. Treating a Zen2 like it's Sandy Bridge or even Pile-driver, and yoinking the volts and current up in a futile pursuit of a meaningful OC is just risking degradation. You can't outrun basic physics, silicon electromigration is very real. And at a certain point any CPU die will degrade, as with SNDS and other memorable examples.
It's a new paradigm. Zen2 SKUs are class leading without the need or even practical benefit from any manual OC, especially in regards to any more than stock power. The tinkerer and tweaker community among us will have to be content with amazing CPUs that are already optimized for peak performance out of the box, and focus on areas where effort actually pays, eg; DDR timing, GPU tuning, etc.
That was not true just a few years ago. But yes, today, Zen2 is like automatically overclocked. Takes the fun out of it, but, at stock, they work well.
Good products speak for themselves
However, it seems like a few people may need to adjust how they think about enthusiast CPU experiences with regards to the Zen2 in particular. I find it basically counterproductive to bother with any manual OC or overvolting. Gains are absolutely minimal short of subambient class cooling setups, and often you will see REDUCED performance by screwing with it. They are exceptionally optimized out of the box from the word go in that respect, and the chief way to enhance your performance a bit is to combine it with friendly DDR4 and carefully follow guides and the Ryzen memory calculator to achieve best results for bandwidth, latency, and real world performance.
It's just a different way of doing things. Perhaps not as exciting as it once was where we'd get excited as enthusiasts about particular steppings and how much we could tune and OC systems 10, 20, even as much as 50 percent beyond stock performance. That just isn't the way Zen2 behaves. And that's fine, arguably it's superior due to not needing silicon lottery and heavy effort and combining with OC style mobos to achieve the results you want.
7nm TSMC is extremely dense, and limits seem based around areal density causing hotspotting that cannot be effectively radiated away from such miniscule surface areas. AMD has tuned and binned these SKUs to not leave basically anything on the table from stock. Treating a Zen2 like it's Sandy Bridge or even Pile-driver, and yoinking the volts and current up in a futile pursuit of a meaningful OC is just risking degradation. You can't outrun basic physics, silicon electromigration is very real. And at a certain point any CPU die will degrade, as with SNDS and other memorable examples.
It's a new paradigm. Zen2 SKUs are class leading without the need or even practical benefit from any manual OC, especially in regards to any more than stock power. The tinkerer and tweaker community among us will have to be content with amazing CPUs that are already optimized for peak performance out of the box, and focus on areas where effort actually pays, eg; DDR timing, GPU tuning, etc.
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