Ryzen 3 build incoming. (It's built!)

[VirtualLarry]

Edit: I'm trying to cancel the order for the two motherboards, primarily because they are kind of stripped-down, and lack any video outputs. While ideal for an R3 1200/1300X budget gaming rig, I don't think that I'm going to go that way, given GPU prices are so high still.

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I ordered two AB350M (NON-Pro4) mobos tonight. That was $59.99 FS ea.

(I've started a new budget, of $10/day, so I don't compulsively spend on hardware, as I have been.)

Was thinking of a Ryzen 3 build. Any suggestions on which CPU to pick?

I plan on overclocking. RAM and GPU choices are up in the air thus far. This machine is aimed at productivity tasks, not gaming, although that could change if I get a buyer.

Budget: As little as I can get away with, and still have a competent system. (With my new budget system, the more expensive it gets, the longer I have to save up for it.)

Edit: And about the GPU - Ryzen requires one, I would like one that is 4K60 capable over HDMI2.0, and possibly can mine crypto-currency in it's spare time.

 

[whm1974]

Get the Ryzen 3 1200 and a GeForce 1030. And maybe 8GB to 16GB of memory along with a SSD and/or a HHD for files.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Ok, one vote for the Ryzen 3 1200, which is $109.99 + $0.99 ship at Newegg.

Can you tell me why I should get the 1200 over the 1300X? According to some Tech 'Tubers, the 1300X's 200Mhz XFR kicks in sometimes, even with the stock cooler, so that's like 3.9Ghz for some tasks with the 1300X.

As opposed to having to overclock the 1200 to 3.8 / 3.9 manually.

OzTalksHW has a video on Ryzen 3, comparing it to the i3-6100 and G4600, and using faster RAM too on the OCed CPU. Overclocked, AND with 3200 RAM, the Ryzen 3 1200 compares pretty favorably to the other Intel CPUs, except for in "Dolphin Benchmark".

Edit: I mean, the 1200 is certainly cheaper, but ... the difference is only $20, and I could potentially be seeing roughly 400-500Mhz more, even without manual overclocking, via the XFR. And with manual overclocking, since the 1300X is hypothetically binned better, maybe I could get 4.0Ghz OCs on it? But I would likely have to replace the stock cooler too.

I was toying of going with a MasterBox Lite 3.1 with the clear full side window, and a MasterLiquid 240mm AIO CLC to go with it. The case is only $39.99 + $6.99 ship from Newegg on ebay, but the MasterLiquid 240mm cooler is like $89.99 FS, pretty pricey, considering the pricing tier of all of the other components.

 

[whm1974]

Well if you don't mind the extra $20 and you are planning on overclocking then the 1300X would be a better choice for you. But with the price of the MasterLiquid AIO the 1600 with the stock HSF is only a bit more then the 1300X. If you are using this for productivity maybe you shouldn't overclock.

BTW what is your total budget for this?

 

[UsandThem]

You can get Ryzen CPUs a little cheaper with this deal I spotted the other day.

https://slickdeals.net/f/10453984-a...-3-1300x-115-ryzen-3-1200-99-50-more-free-s-h

For example, the 1300X for $115

 

[VirtualLarry]

But with the price of the MasterLiquid AIO the 1600 with the stock HSF is only a bit more then the 1300X. If you are using this for productivity maybe you shouldn't overclock.

See, that's where I kept ending up at when I built my first Ryzen rigs, the 1600.

BTW what is your total budget for this?

I guess I haven't figured that out yet, kind of buying parts as I go along... let's say $600, $700 max. Less if possible, but SSD, RAM, and GPU are all going to take a big bite out of the budget.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Any suggestions on which CPU to pick?

If you want the cheapest possible, go for the 1200. But for the extra $20 the 1300X is awfully tempting. +200MHz XFR takes it to 3.9GHz even without OC, you should easily be able to get 4GHz with a little tweaking.

Next up would be 1500X, but its awfully close to the non-X 1600...

 

[whm1974]

See, that's where I kept ending up at when I built my first Ryzen rigs, the 1600.

I guess I haven't figured that out yet, kind of buying parts as I go along... let's say $600, $700 max. Less if possible, but SSD, RAM, and GPU are all going to take a big bite out of the budget.

Like I said Larry, for productivity uses you shouldn't overclock and you don't need a fancy GPU if you are not gaming. A 1030 or 1050 should be fine for this build.

The money saved from not buying that AIO could be used for the SSD instead, which should give you better performance then overclocking anyway.

 

[Torn Mind]

Needing a GPU basically makes the Ryzen 3 a $170-$190 chip in essence if the GT 1030 is used. The GT 1030 is about $70. Unless, it's a RDP box or something like that.

 

[whm1974]

Needing a GPU basically makes the Ryzen 3 a $170-$190 chip in essence if the GT 1030 is used. The GT 1030 is about $70. Unless, it's a RDP box or something like that.

Maybe Larry should wait for the Ryzen APUs first before building a new system.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Yeah, maybe I'll put this build on hold for now.

Problem is, those two AB350M boards I ordered, don't have any video outputs. Not even a single measly tiny HDMI output. So they would be no good for APUs. That'll teach me to cut corners on buying boards.

 

[whm1974]

Yeah, maybe I'll put this build on hold for now.

Problem is, those two AB350M boards I ordered, don't have any video outputs. Not even a single measly tiny HDMI output. So they would be no good for APUs. That'll teach me to cut corners on buying boards.

Didn't know that Socket AM4 boards were even available without video outputs.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I'm trying to return the boards. (Newegg, so generally futile, except this is Sun, and it seems that they haven't actually shipped yet.)

 

[whm1974]

I'm trying to return the boards. (Newegg, so generally futile, except this is Sun, and it seems that they haven't actually shipped yet.)

You should know by now Larry that one should double check the specs of any hardware before ordering.

As far as being capable of 4K60 over HDMI 2.0, The 1050 perhaps? I don't know if the 1030 can do it or not. You can also look at the Rx460/560 as well.

 

[VirtualLarry]

It seems that even the mining craze has caught up the RX 460 / 560 cards, at least if the supply on Newegg's ebay store can be seen as a representative sample.

 

[whm1974]

It seems that even the mining craze has caught up the RX 460 / 560 cards, at least if the supply on Newegg's ebay store can be seen as a representative sample.

Didn't know that the RX 460/560 GPU are powerful enough for mining. What is next, they will be using iGPUs as well?

 

[VirtualLarry]

Didn't know that the RX 460/560 GPU are powerful enough for mining. What is next, they will be using iGPUs as well?

I've been wondering... there are rumors that Vega's architecture is better for mining than current arches, and AMD's next APU, Raven Ridge, has Vega Graphics. Hmm.

 

[whm1974]

Just great, there will be a run on Raven Ridge APUs by Miners after they are released.

 

[VirtualLarry]

You should know by now Larry that one should double check the specs of any hardware before ordering.

It's not that I didn't know that, only that my original intent for the builds were with dGPUs, so at the time I didn't think that was an issue. The more expensive "Pro4" versions, have three video outputs, but less USB ports.

The boards got shipped, so now I need to figure out what to build with them, but that's going to have to wait until I get some money again.

 

[whm1974]

It's not that I didn't know that, only that my original intent for the builds were with dGPUs, so at the time I didn't think that was an issue. The more expensive "Pro4" versions, have three video outputs, but less USB ports.

The boards got shipped, so now I need to figure out what to build with them, but that's going to have to wait until I get some money again.

Lower cost boards do sacrifice features to meet their low price.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Ok, re-visiting this again. Newegg on ebay, has Sapphire Pulse RX 560 4GB cards for $129.99 + $3.99 ship. So temping. Only, I'm already over budget for Sep., I bought an XFX RX 570 to mine with, for $300. Might have been a mistake.

Trying to talk a friend of mine that I sold a G4560 PC to, that he's not even using yet, to choose to upgrade to a Ryzen 3 1200 rig that I can build him. Then he can mine altcoins with it, and make a few $$$ himself. (Or pay me back for the PC, with mining.)

 

[hoorah]

In all of the random parts you collect, you don't have a few basic GPUs floating around? I guess not otherwise you wouldn't be asking this question.

I have a few HTPCs that I need to put low end dedicated GPUs into this year so they can handle H.265 10-bit video. I've been looking at the GT1030, 1050, and RX550/560. I convinced myself that the extra $20 is worth it (plus maybe I'll find one on sale) to get the 1050/560 level card because it will be much more useful for any project down the road and much easier to put into a system and resell as a basic 'gaming' PC for esports type games. If you're wheeling and dealing (reselling later) I suspect you may come to the same conclusion.

I'd pick a $100 GPU thats on sale and call it a day. I also have 0 patience to return things so my solutions always try deal with what I have on hand.

 

[hoorah]

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131724&ignorebbr=1

RX560 for $99, $79 if you want to take the time to fill out a rebate form

 

[VirtualLarry]

It seems that I left this thread hanging. I think that I have a thread in CPUs & Overclocking about this rig, that might be more suited.

I picked up a pair of Ryzen 3 1200 CPUs, and built one of them, inside a Rosewill FBM-X1 micro-ATX case, w/window. I overclocked it off the bat, to 3.80Ghz, at 1.350V vcore, and it seems pretty stable at that setting, I was able to install the OS. Added a 128GB PCI-E NVMe M.2 Plextor TLC SSD, now it's super-speedy for web browsing or productivity.

Unfortunately, since it has a 3.5" HDD installed as well, I can't fit my dual-fan Sapphire RX 460 4GB Nitro card into the case. Pretty tight fit.

 

[whm1974]

It seems that I left this thread hanging. I think that I have a thread in CPUs & Overclocking about this rig, that might be more suited.

I picked up a pair of Ryzen 3 1200 CPUs, and built one of them, inside a Rosewill FBM-X1 micro-ATX case, w/window. I overclocked it off the bat, to 3.80Ghz, at 1.350V vcore, and it seems pretty stable at that setting, I was able to install the OS. Added a PCI-E NVMe M.2 Plextor TLC SSD, now it's super-speedy for web browsing or productivity.

Unfortunately, since it has a 3.5" HDD installed as well, I can't fit my dual-fan Sapphire RX 460 4GB Nitro card into the case. Pretty tight fit.

Get a shorter single fan card? Or remove the HDD if you don't need it. What size is the SSD?