ryzen 1700 + asrock taichi what can I expect/help

alidan

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Ok, like the thread says, getting a 1700 and already ordered the taichi, once it is shipped i'm ordering the rest (not getting things till I know the motherboard is on the way for warranty and return purposes.)

I'm going to overclock this, and I'm aiming for 3.8 possibly up to 4.0 if I don't need to go over 1.4 volts.
Personally never overclocked before, as why oc when everything I do runs more than adequate, however the 1700 leaves so much performance on the table its hard to say no to it (and to get the best performance It needs an oc)

my concerns are a few fold

If the oc fails, to load, am I able to get back into the bios to revert/change it or have I don't dicked myself, Im thinking im not going to push to 4.0 till after the main bios updates happen, and this should be some time after may, so this is more a ram issue then cpu, as im looking at

G.SKILL TridentZ Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model F4-3200C14D-32GTZ

for memory, and god knows I won't get 3200 out the gate, if at all, im somewhat worried about the system just not booting up period, had this issue with my current motherboard where If I used 3 sticks of ram the thing wouldn't even turn on, im a bit worried about that happening and having no way to revert.

same with cpu clocks, but as im not doing anything insane with those out the gate, its more an issue for post may.

on a side note, I'm getting a d15 for the cooler, I don't like water, amd doesn't seem to be thermal limited, so perfect fit for me.

any thoughts ay way to quell my worries?
 

Crono

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You'll be able to go back into the BIOS/UEFI if the overclock fails. There's minimal risk there so long as you don't go overboard with voltages. You can revert if for some reason your RAM configuration doesn't work, though like you remarked, you may not get full speeds (check QVL) without updates.

Your plan is sound overall. :) I don't have a Taichi, but there are a few people here who do, so you can get an idea of settings from their results and from other reviews.
 

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CPU will keep booting even if your OC fails. so you can go into BIOS and up the Volt or reduce the freq.

if you RAM OC fails, the BIOS should boot back after several retries at default SPD (2133 Mhz). if that does not happen then you have to reset the CMOS.

there is nothing much to worry about. use HWiNFO and monitor the temps, the VOCRE (SVI2 STF) and VCORE from the motherboard.

I would highly recommend not to OC on Auto CPU voltage and also avoid Load Line Calibration (LLC) if you have manually set the voltage around 1.375v or there about. This is because once the load on the CPU ends, there is a transient phase where the volts can skyrocket for a short period. This is not picked up by any software but it is very harmful for the transistor gates.
 
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DrMrLordX

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Read up on chew*'s adventures with the board using a RAM configuration similar to your own:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums...-of-the-Jedi&p=5256922&viewfull=1#post5256922

He had to use bclk OC to get DDR4-3200. Expect something closer to DDR4-2400 using standard bclk.

I have a Taichi and an 1800x, so if you need help tweaking the system, post here and I might be able to help you. Please excuse slow responses since work has been brutal lately. I will be reading this thread regardless.
 

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Ok, like the thread says, getting a 1700 and already ordered the taichi, once it is shipped i'm ordering the rest (not getting things till I know the motherboard is on the way for warranty and return purposes.)

I'm going to overclock this, and I'm aiming for 3.8 possibly up to 4.0 if I don't need to go over 1.4 volts.
Personally never overclocked before, as why oc when everything I do runs more than adequate, however the 1700 leaves so much performance on the table its hard to say no to it (and to get the best performance It needs an oc)

my concerns are a few fold

If the oc fails, to load, am I able to get back into the bios to revert/change it or have I don't dicked myself, Im thinking im not going to push to 4.0 till after the main bios updates happen, and this should be some time after may, so this is more a ram issue then cpu, as im looking at

G.SKILL TridentZ Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model F4-3200C14D-32GTZ

for memory, and god knows I won't get 3200 out the gate, if at all, im somewhat worried about the system just not booting up period, had this issue with my current motherboard where If I used 3 sticks of ram the thing wouldn't even turn on, im a bit worried about that happening and having no way to revert.

same with cpu clocks, but as im not doing anything insane with those out the gate, its more an issue for post may.

on a side note, I'm getting a d15 for the cooler, I don't like water, amd doesn't seem to be thermal limited, so perfect fit for me.

any thoughts ay way to quell my worries?
I am pretty sure that is the same memory as me. Before you get the motherboard, download the latest production BIOS and maybe an older version. 2.0 is a very good production version.

So once its assembled, press F6 during boot, and load the BIOS. Make sure you have the bios file on a USB stick. Load that. Once done, next boot set the memory profile to XMP (I think thats it) and choose 3200, it WILL do it with the memory you have chosen (if it really is this https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232205, pretty sure it is)

As for the overclock, I would first try 3800, and 1.35 vcore. If that fails, up the vcore a few ticks until it works. Then try for 3850, then 3900, etc.. same procedure for each step. But make sure its stable using some load test for at least 1 hour for each step.

EDIT: crap, I just noticed you are using 2x16 gig, not 2x8 gig, so ignore my memory instructions.
 

alidan

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Read up on chew*'s adventures with the board using a RAM configuration similar to your own:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums...-of-the-Jedi&p=5256922&viewfull=1#post5256922

He had to use bclk OC to get DDR4-3200. Expect something closer to DDR4-2400 using standard bclk.

I have a Taichi and an 1800x, so if you need help tweaking the system, post here and I might be able to help you. Please excuse slow responses since work has been brutal lately. I will be reading this thread regardless.

sure, though im not going to do anything heavy till after may, the bios that should be on the motherboard I think is the latency one, the may one is going to be a major compatibility update.

My current cpu is a phenom II 955 BE at 3.2, and even though I would like to oc it now, no backplate access means ripping the entire motherboard out and putting it back in to put a cooler on it and my case is a bit on the smaller/old side, so even an h212 would be iffy if it would fit. with ram clocked to 677mhz as I didn't want to screw with voltages on memory, accidentally fry my memory and have no way of booting up to reset it so I could use my old memory. so with 677mhz ram playing fallout 4, imagine how fun that was or gta5... nah, even at the absolute worst the motherboard does to me and if I lose the silicon lottery for the cpu, I will still be happy with its performance.

A big part of the reason I'm getting the 1700 is because I'm going to replace it with the next 8 core amd makes if that's the big upgrade one, possibly the 3rd one if my motherboard still works. I needs a new computer last year, so waiting time is over for me, but I do expect it to be good even at stock clocks and at worst an al core oc to 1800x base clock with 2133mhz ram.

On a side note, any software I can use to test the oc? I'm going to use memtest after I get the the computer booted to the highest memory mhz it will take without dickign around with voltage, but for cpu testing, not sure what to use, testing temps I know use prime95, but I am also told other software finds out in 20 minutes what prime would take 12 hours to do.

also, just one more aside, ryzen master, I'm not planning to use it for overclocking my cpu, I'm doing that in bios, but I want to set my computer to performance mode and forget it, but that also means my computer will run hotter than it needs to. Am I able to set a downclocked state in ryzen master and force it to stay low, either stupidly low mhz and it never clocks up passed that, or low clock of 3.0ghz and set the voltage low instead? I sleep in the same room as my computer and I don't shut down, to many bad experiences with computers never turning on again for me to feel comfortable shutting down anymore, so anything to keep my room a bit cooler.

there was something else I wanted to ask but im drawing a blank.

~~EDIT~~
I remembered what I wanted to ask, How does the bios updating work on the taichi. I heard the initial bios required a floppy dos boot to do it, but versions since have had easier methods/internet options inside of the bios, my main concern is with potentially bricking the thing, though warranty replace and having a second working computer wouldn't make it to much of a hassle, still a potentially painful month if shit goes wrong.
 

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Assuming your board comes with a BIOS version newer than the initial BIOS (which seems pretty safe based on manufacture date) you should be able to follow Markfw's instructions and flash it from the UEFI. Just download the BIOS from http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/X370 Taichi/#BIOS and put on a USB drive.
 

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Assuming your board comes with a BIOS version newer than the initial BIOS (which seems pretty safe based on manufacture date) you should be able to follow Markfw's instructions and flash it from the UEFI. Just download the BIOS from http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/X370 Taichi/#BIOS and put on a USB drive.
Yup. There are also instructions on how to do it after you click on the download link.

PS: Don't do a bios update in windows! Tons of people are bricking their boards trying to do it in windows.
 

alidan

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Yup. There are also instructions on how to do it after you click on the download link.

PS: Don't do a bios update in windows! Tons of people are bricking their boards trying to do it in windows.

Yea, was told never to do that because bricking chance is higher, all honesty touching the bios always made me nervous on my current computer and its predecessor, because if something goes wrong and it bricks that it, I have an absolute nightmare of a time dealing with it, possibly months without a computer, but now? If I brick it I still have my current computer, and then buying a b350 board that is good, probably a gigabyte or something to use in the meantime because my ryzen cpu will be a secondary cpu at some point so buying the board now isn't to much an issue, an annoyance sure, but not a massive issue. Hell, the worst part of that would likely be getting a boot drive.
 

DrMrLordX

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If you are looking for software to test the stability of your overclock, I recommend y-cruncher and Prime95 at a minimum. Use the different modes of operation for Prime95 to test for different kinds of instability.
 
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Crono

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AIDA64 is good for quick stability testing in between overclock changes. It also displays CPU temp and load during stress test, so you don't have to have multiple windows open to check those while running the stress test.

The downside is it's a paid program, but it does have a free trial that's long enough to get your Ryzen build to max OC (and you can buy it if you want after that).
 

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Yea, was told never to do that because bricking chance is higher, all honesty touching the bios always made me nervous on my current computer and its predecessor, because if something goes wrong and it bricks that it, I have an absolute nightmare of a time dealing with it, possibly months without a computer, but now? If I brick it I still have my current computer, and then buying a b350 board that is good, probably a gigabyte or something to use in the meantime because my ryzen cpu will be a secondary cpu at some point so buying the board now isn't to much an issue, an annoyance sure, but not a massive issue. Hell, the worst part of that would likely be getting a boot drive.
If you do a BIOS update of the BIOS, your chances of bricking it are almost null.

Once you put the "BIOS" version of the bios update on a USB stick, press F6 at the time you would be pressing DEL to enter into BIOS, (UEFI BIOS) and it will search the USB stick for the file. Then when it finds the correct one, use it to update. If you don't then your memory won't work well, or anything else. 1.50 (shipped BIOS) has a lot of problems. 2.0 is great for the Taichi
 

alidan

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If you do a BIOS update of the BIOS, your chances of bricking it are almost null.

Once you put the "BIOS" version of the bios update on a USB stick, press F6 at the time you would be pressing DEL to enter into BIOS, (UEFI BIOS) and it will search the USB stick for the file. Then when it finds the correct one, use it to update. If you don't then your memory won't work well, or anything else. 1.50 (shipped BIOS) has a lot of problems. 2.0 is great for the Taichi

I'm thinking more small power out, we get those around here every now and then, about a week ago powercut out for around 3 hours, something broke in the transformer and there goes power for the town. Then we get small brown outs periodically, it's annoying, but manageable. Honestly considering getting a ups along with the new computer.

Or my favorite thing in the world, the usb stick corrupts the file, crap like that happens to me so often that I don't even consider usb a viable storage solution.

Considering ill have to get a new usb stick, whats a good cheap one that I could us for bios or booting a linux distro off to dick around with? if the bios will see it im considering this
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01BGTG2A0/ref=twister_B06XHWWJRW?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
would make transferring large files less painful,
 

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My Taichi had a bios version that didn't include a flash utility built into the bios. I had to boot to a bootable dos USB stick and flash it the old fashioned way.
 

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I'm not sure how well you're going to go trying for 4Ghz on a 1700 with air cooling. Keep in mind that 1700's are the lowest binned 8 cores of the R7 so you're going to have a very hard time even at 1.4v or higher imo. Stability is going to be a big problem for you.
 

alidan

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I'm not sure how well you're going to go trying for 4Ghz on a 1700 with air cooling. Keep in mind that 1700's are the lowest binned 8 cores of the R7 so you're going to have a very hard time even at 1.4v or higher imo. Stability is going to be a big problem for you.

4.0 for me is more of a best case scenario, realistically I'm aiming for 3.9 or 3.8
as for amd and heat, d15 should be able to cool it effectively at around the same level as mand dual fan rads, that and even the stock heatsink can apparently get the thing to 3.8 for some people. The way I understand it is amd is less heat restricted more voltage restricted where the voltage to push the cpu that high should make you nervous far before the heat is a concern.
 

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With the 1700, set your expectations at 3.8 - that seems pretty safe.

Getting 3.9 or even 4.0 will likely take (a) work and (b) luck.
 

alidan

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With the 1700, set your expectations at 3.8 - that seems pretty safe.

Getting 3.9 or even 4.0 will likely take (a) work and (b) luck.

Honestly would be perfectly happy with 3.6 as I was planning on getting a 1800x till reviews came out and showed 1700's largely hit the same speed with the same bottlenecks just slightly higher voltages.
 

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Honestly would be perfectly happy with 3.6 as I was planning on getting a 1800x till reviews came out and showed 1700's largely hit the same speed with the same bottlenecks just slightly higher voltages.
3.7Ghz is the sweet spot for the 1700. As soon as you hit 3.8 or higher, the voltage requirements and stability issues go way up.
 

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I have the Taichi and Ryzen 1700. Mines came with Bios 1.40 so it didn't have Instant Flash or Internet Flash available, the only way to update it was through Windows / DOS and I took the risk by updating straight to 2.00 in Windows (thankfully it all went well). As for overclocking, I put 1.30 for my voltage and running stable at 3.9ghz. If I go higher, voltage increases much more so I'm just sticking to 3.9. As for Ram, I tried both CL14 and CL16 3200 G.Skill (2 x 16GB) and cannot get past 2400 no matter what voltage or timings I try. For 2x8 with Samsung B-Dies, I got up to 3200 but didn't try a stability test. There's a reset cmos button on the I/O panel. So when it didn't post after changing memory speeds, I would just power it off, hit the clear cmos button, enter UEFI Bios and load my saved profile and try again.
 

DrMrLordX

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My Taichi had a bios version that didn't include a flash utility built into the bios. I had to boot to a bootable dos USB stick and flash it the old fashioned way.

I had the same problem. All UEFI revs prior to 1.55 or whatever it was lacked the interface feature for Quick Flash. Quick Flash was still there; in fact, the DOS updater did nothing but hook directly into the UEFI where it automatically activated Quick Flash (rather clever, I must admit).