Russian lawmaker warns against sex w/foreigners during World Cup: 'If it's another race, it's worse

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Ackmed

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As per usual, some people do not care about full context. Or even put the full quotes in. Or the meaning behind what has been said. Instead, twists things to fit their own agenda.

Maybe they will get married, maybe they won’t. But the kids will suffer, just like they suffered [after the Moscow Olympics

Having a one night stand, then leaving a single mother to raise a child is not a good idea, ever. Which can be worse if the child is of mixed race. This is fact all over the world. Yes, even ours. This can also be worse from country to country. His comments do speak to what appears to be a negative of mixed race children with no father in Russia. How they are treated, and have been in the past. Which like in many countries, they're not treated well. My comments are not in defense of his comments, just expanding the reasoning from behind them, at least my take on them. I personally love seeing races mix, the blending of cultures is a great thing. But I can also see how the children that becomes of one night stands with no father and mixed races can be harder on the child. If anyone disagrees with my last statement, then they're either lying or ignorant.
 
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As per usual, some people do not care about full context. Or even put the full quotes in. Or the meaning behind what has been said. Instead, twists things to fit their own agenda.



Having a one night stand, then leaving a single mother to raise a child is not a good idea, ever. Which can be worse if the child is of mixed race. This is fact all over the world. Yes, even ours. This can also be worse from country to country. His comments do speak to what appears to be a negative of mixed race children with no father in Russia. How they are treated, and have been in the past. Which like in many countries, they're not treated well. My comments are not in defense of his comments, just expanding the reasoning from behind them, at least my take on them. I personally love seeing races mix, the blending of cultures is a great thing. But I can also see how the children that becomes of one night stands with no father and mixed races can be harder on the child. If anyone disagrees with my last statement, then they're either lying or ignorant.
I guess being half Asian is OK since it's not black. Unless now Russia considers anything east of the Urals a colony.
 

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As per usual, some people do not care about full context. Or even put the full quotes in. Or the meaning behind what has been said. Instead, twists things to fit their own agenda.



Having a one night stand, then leaving a single mother to raise a child is not a good idea, ever. Which can be worse if the child is of mixed race. This is fact all over the world. Yes, even ours. This can also be worse from country to country. His comments do speak to what appears to be a negative of mixed race children with no father in Russia. How they are treated, and have been in the past. Which like in many countries, they're not treated well. My comments are not in defense of his comments, just expanding the reasoning from behind them, at least my take on them. I personally love seeing races mix, the blending of cultures is a great thing. But I can also see how the children that becomes of one night stands with no father and mixed races can be harder on the child. If anyone disagrees with my last statement, then they're either lying or ignorant.

Not racist, but finds excuses for racism, says it isn't a defense, misses the person making the comments was a woman.
 
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As per usual, some people do not care about full context. Or even put the full quotes in. Or the meaning behind what has been said. Instead, twists things to fit their own agenda.



Having a one night stand, then leaving a single mother to raise a child is not a good idea, ever. Which can be worse if the child is of mixed race. This is fact all over the world. Yes, even ours. This can also be worse from country to country. His comments do speak to what appears to be a negative of mixed race children with no father in Russia. How they are treated, and have been in the past. Which like in many countries, they're not treated well. My comments are not in defense of his comments, just expanding the reasoning from behind them, at least my take on them. I personally love seeing races mix, the blending of cultures is a great thing. But I can also see how the children that becomes of one night stands with no father and mixed races can be harder on the child. If anyone disagrees with my last statement, then they're either lying or ignorant.

Did you just presume their gender?
Are you being sexist to a racist?
 

realibrad

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As per usual, some people do not care about full context. Or even put the full quotes in. Or the meaning behind what has been said. Instead, twists things to fit their own agenda.



Having a one night stand, then leaving a single mother to raise a child is not a good idea, ever. Which can be worse if the child is of mixed race. This is fact all over the world. Yes, even ours. This can also be worse from country to country. His comments do speak to what appears to be a negative of mixed race children with no father in Russia. How they are treated, and have been in the past. Which like in many countries, they're not treated well. My comments are not in defense of his comments, just expanding the reasoning from behind them, at least my take on them. I personally love seeing races mix, the blending of cultures is a great thing. But I can also see how the children that becomes of one night stands with no father and mixed races can be harder on the child. If anyone disagrees with my last statement, then they're either lying or ignorant.

Idk, I doubt he was worried about the children more than he wanted people to stay with their own race.
 

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As an American, my day to day run in with racism is the American kind. When I try to combat racism, its local and I do not devote any real time to stopping foreign racism. But, it is truly surprising when meeting foreign people and their socially accepted racism. Its interesting and surprising and I believe it would be both to most Americans.

The point of this thread seem to be that Russian racism is surprising and somewhat interesting.

I will say, that makes you 2 for 2 on giving me the benefit of the doubt when it comes to racism. It his a trend or an accident?

The emphasis on skin colour, i.e. racism the way it's traditionally been in the West, or at least the contemporary US, is very marginally surprising, given the lack of history of slavery and colonialism with regard to eastern europe and Russia. But not really _that_ surprising. Those countries have not been hermetically-sealed, they are part of the same global culture as the rest of the predominantly-white world.

Racism has a different meaning and different historical roots in different societies. I'm sure there are all sorts of different implications and nuances in Russian racism (it's still dumb and dangerous, mind).
 

realibrad

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The emphasis on skin colour, i.e. racism of the way it's traditionally been in the West, is very marginally surprising, given the lack of history of slavery and colonialism with regard to eastern europe and Russia. But not really _that_ surprising. Those countries have not been hermetically-sealed, they are part of the same global culture as the rest of the predominantly-white world.

Racism has a different meaning and different historical roots in different societies. I'm sure there are all sorts of different implications and nuances in Russian racism (it's still dumb and dangerous, mind).

But that is what makes it surprising. Here in the US its changed from hating immigrants by country and its mainly hating people by skin color. Europe and Asia hate both races and nationalities and with much more passion. I think the US is a lot better than most countries, but is for sure is still to racist for acceptance.
 

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I guess being half Asian is OK since it's not black. Unless now Russia considers anything east of the Urals a colony.

I never said anything about black, or any other ethnicity. Being half anything is "OK". That's not the point. The point is that the child will suffer.

Answer this simple question, since it is the root of the topic, on average do you think that a child will have an easier time in life with two parents, or a fatherless child will have an easier time in life if they are of mixed race, or not? The obvious answer is that a mixed child will have a harder time than a non mixed child. This is true in America as well. Does this make it right or ok? No, it does not. It still factual. As I said, I love seeing mixed races with children. Single mothers already have a harder time than ones who are not. Those with a mixed baby will have it even harder. That is not opinion, its a fact. Which again, does not make it right.

So many people here have zero problems with a fatherless child, its pretty sad. Because that is what they will be, at least initially. The athlete will not suffer, it will be the mother and child. But that apparently, is a-ok. Coming into a country and fucking around, then leaving a mother to raise the child alone is a cowards move. As are those defending their actions. More often, having a child will be easier on the mother and child if the person lives in the country already. Not with someone who will leave in a few week never to be seen again. That's another fact.

Perhaps there will be a whirlwind relationship for some, and they will stay together after the games. I would suspect that most will not.
 
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realibrad

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"They" has been used in a singular way for centuries. Language isn't a set of rules, it's a fight.

(Besides, it's not your language.)

As I said, in the formal world where rules are more enforced it is far from accepted.

Also language is very much a set of rules, even if those rules change. If it were not, then everyone would have their own set of rules and conversation would be greatly reduced.
 

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I never said anything about black, or any other ethnicity. Being half anything is "OK". That's not the point. The point is that the child will suffer.

Answer this simple question, since it is the root of the topic, on average do you think that a child will have an easier time in life with two parents, or a fatherless child will have an easier time in life if they are of mixed race, or not? The obvious answer is that a mixed child will have a harder time than a non mixed child. This is true in America as well. Does this make it right or ok? No, it does not. It still factual. As I said, I love seeing mixed races with children. Single mothers already have a harder time than ones who are not. Those with a mixed baby will have it even harder. That is not opinion, its a fact. Which again, does not make it right.

So many people here have zero problems with a fatherless child, its pretty sad. Because that is what they will be, at least initially. The athlete will not suffer, it will be the mother and child. But that apparently, is a-ok. Coming into a country and fucking around, then leaving a mother to raise the child alone is a cowards move. As are those defending their actions. More often, having a child will be easier on the mother and child if the person lives in the country already. Not with someone who will leave in a few week never to be seen again. That's another fact.

Perhaps there will be a whirlwind relationship for some, and they will stay together after the games. I would suspect that most will not.

Thought experiment.
Everybody adopts this line of thinking.
Roll forward society, culture and geopolitics 10 years.
50 years.
What do you see?
 

Ackmed

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Did you just presume their gender?
Are you being sexist to a racist?

The news article I glanced over earlier did not have a picture, and I missed that it was a woman. My bad on that. Do you assume everyone here is a male, does that make you a sexist? No. Assuming someone is male or female when you don't really have any information on them is not sexist. I would assume that most posters here are males, that doesn't make me a sexist.

But good job spinning and not replying in context to what I said. Classic move.

Cliffs since you can't be bothered to read or reply on topic;
-Having sex with their own race, is having sex with someone who lives where they do
-Having sex with a woman, who then has a baby, then leaving the country forever a few weeks later is not fair to the woman or the child. Its a bitch move
-A single mother raising a child will have a harder time if the baby is mixed. Which can be even worse depending on the country, such as Russia

Those are all facts. Do I like that the comments were made, or how they look? No. I can see the point that was trying to be made, and understand it. Fucking some girl when you're in the country for a few week, getting her pregnant, then leaving her to deal with it is not good no matter what race is involved, or where it is. The comments to me where in protection of the children that will suffer from that. A better way to get the message across should have been used for sure.
 
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Ackmed

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Did you just presume their gender?
Are you being sexist to a racist?

The news article I glanced over earlier did not have a picture, and I missed that it was a woman. My bad on that. Do you assume everyone here is a male, does that make you a sexist? No. Assuming someone is male or female when you don't really have any information on them is not sexist. I would assume that most posters here are males, that doesn't make me a sexist.

But good job spinning and not replying in context to what I said. Classic move.

Cliffs since you can't be bothered to read or reply on topic;
-Having sex with their own race, is having sex with someone who lives where they do
-Having sex with a woman, who then has a baby, then leaving the country forever a few weeks later is not fair to the woman or the child. Its a bitch move
-A single mother raising a child will have a harder time if the baby is mixed. Which can be even worse depending on the country, such as Russia

Those are all facts. Do I like that the comments were made, or how they look? No. I can see the point that was trying to be made, and understand it. Fucking some girl when you're in the country for a few week, getting her pregnant, then leaving her to deal with it is not good no matter what race is involved, or where it is. The comments to me where in protection of the children that will suffer from that. A better way to get the message across should have been used for sure.
 

Ackmed

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Thought experiment.
Everybody adopts this line of thinking.
Roll forward society, culture and geopolitics 10 years.
50 years.
What do you see?

You're missing my point, and part of what I said. I said I enjoy mixed races. I do not want races to only be with the same race. Blending of culture is (usually) a fantastic thing. The more we do this, the better the world to me. No where, have I ever said that I didn't want one race with another. Ever. A sad part of that is, that its not always so cut and dry. Not even here in America.
What I do not enjoy, is people abandoning pregnant women and leaving the child to suffer. That is exactly what happens at events like this. The Olympics, etc. Huge influx is young people come to a country for a few weeks, its a sexscapades. This is common knowledge.

Its amazing to me that so many people are perfectly fine with abandoning pregnant women and leaving the children to not have a father. But with the increase of that in our own country, I guess I shouldn't be.
 

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You're missing my point, and part of what I said. I said I enjoy mixed races. I do not want races to only be with the same race. Blending of culture is (usually) a fantastic thing. The more we do this, the better the world to me. No where, have I ever said that I didn't want one race with another. Ever. A sad part of that is, that its not always so cut and dry. Not even here in America.
What I do not enjoy, is people abandoning pregnant women and leaving the child to suffer. That is exactly what happens at events like this. The Olympics, etc. Huge influx is young people come to a country for a few weeks, its a sexscapades. This is common knowledge.

Its amazing to me that so many people are perfectly fine with abandoning pregnant women and leaving the children to not have a father. But with the increase of that in our own country, I guess I shouldn't be.

There is certainly logic to your argument, no doubt about it however such a statement, IMO, should be weighted as a whole, with its full impact. Analogy; take gender equality for example, physical taxing jobs, you could easily argue that a man can get more work done so he should get paid more.. We dont differentiate like that cause the alternative is worse.
While you may have a point you also know that all the depraved hateful amongst us will use such public statements (like with trump) to rally behind. To me that is a worse alternative.
 
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The current rules of English.

https://brians.wsu.edu/2016/05/25/they-their-singular/

There has been a push to make They and Their singular, but, its not taken root yet in the formal world.

Apparently that "push" has been going on since at least the the 16th century:

"Despite objections, there is a trend to use ‘singular they’. In fact, it is historically long established. It goes back at least to the 16th century, and writers such as Shakespeare, Sidney, Byron, and Ruskin used it:

There's not a man I meet but doth salute me

As if I were their well-acquainted friend (Shakespeare’s The Comedy of Errors)"

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/grammar/using-they-and-them-in-the-singular
 

realibrad

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Apparently that "push" has been going on since at least the the 16th century:

"Despite objections, there is a trend to use ‘singular they’. In fact, it is historically long established. It goes back at least to the 16th century, and writers such as Shakespeare, Sidney, Byron, and Ruskin used it:

There's not a man I meet but doth salute me

As if I were their well-acquainted friend (Shakespeare’s The Comedy of Errors)"

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/grammar/using-they-and-them-in-the-singular

As I said before, it's not been formally accepted. Further, it may have been used incorrectly in the past, but that would not indicate the level of acceptance.

Now, I assume you pulled that from the Oxford article about this subject. If so, you ignored or missed this part.

"but the following pronoun, their, is plural."
 
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As I said before, it's not been formally accepted. Further, it may have been used incorrectly in the past, but that would not indicate the level of acceptance.

Now, I assume you pulled that from the Oxford article about this subject. If so, you ignored or missed this part.

"but the following pronoun, their, is plural."

Dude, take it up with Shakespeare and the Oxford folks. When push comes to shove, my money is on them.
 

Darwin333

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I'm not a nationalist but don't sleep with people from other nations. I'm not a racist either but don't sleep with brown people.

So do you get a DNA test done on all of the girls you might sleep with to make sure they are enough of your race before sleeping with them?

I knew a girl in high school that had a black father but you'd swear that she was 100% white. On her mother's side she had some native American too so she wasn't even 50% white and that's before an actual genetic test.
 

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https://sports.yahoo.com/russian-la...s-world-cup-another-race-worse-000304087.html

"She (Pletnyova ) clarified that if you’re going to have sex with a foreigner, just make sure that partner is white.
“If it’s another race, then it’s even worse,” Pletnyova said. “We should give birth to our own children.”
“I’m not a nationalist, but nonetheless,” she added.

Radio Free Europe link:
https://www.rferl.org/a/russian-law...sex-foreigners-world-cup-soccer/29288609.html

FFS. :rolleyes:



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