Russian Hacking (You People are Idiots) Part 2

[brandonbull]

But as usual your "proof" is only half the real story which is very different from what you were implying. Par for the course from brandonbullshit.

What was I implying?

 

[interchange]

Has any of this thread actually talked about Russia directly? That's why I made it.

 

[repoman0]

Russia is following the same old KGB playbook they created during the days of the USSR and Cold War. I highly suggest anyone interested read a memoir called The First Directorate by Oleg Kalugin, a former KGB general in counterintelligence turned dissident. It is striking how little their goals and methods have changed, but they are more effective than ever these days due to the public's increased reliance on social media and partisan hack websites for news compared to traditional legitimate journalism, so their propaganda spreads easier. Also back then, KGB operatives basically had to live in the United States in order to accomplish anything, so to a much larger extent the Cold War was a war of spies. If a KGB agent was spreading propaganda or spying within our borders, the FBI and CIA could discover them and throw them out of the country. This is all done remotely now, so there will need to be modern methods of throwing out this type of material. I imagine Facebook, Twitter, etc. will have large roles in this policing from now on. I'm curious about the results of the hearings over the last couple days.

By the way, their goals back then were essentially to embarrass the United States, discredit its system of government, and sow discord amongst its people in order to make the Soviet system and "camaraderie" look appealing and legitimate. I would say at the very least the first part of that goal is still identical and they have finally been wildly successful -- nobody takes Dump or the US government seriously.

 

[brycejones]

What was I implying?

derp

 

[momeNt]

Almost a year ago to the day. I said our election was not secure, that Russia was a major influence in the election, and that we needed to set aside the constitution until we figure this out and postpone the election.

I was laughed at by everybody here.

Well played Russia.

 

[ewdotson]

Setting aside the Constitution would have been taking the approach of "We had to destroy the town to save it". I'm not sure what would have been the best approach to take, but I feel confident that that wasn't it.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Russian adds. now getting fully released show sophistication of influence campaign..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...0d4f04b89eb_story.html?utm_term=.e692fa9b5f6d

It seems the Russians managed to exploit Americans thinking through Facebook ads and campaigns, designed to trigger paranoia and provoke the crazy. Facebook managed to convince Americans to drop any pretense of privacy shielding and categorize their interests into key words that could be capitalized on by advertising agencies. The Russians figured out they could use similar methods to exploit right-wing paranoids and steer them Trump's way, and why not? It's a game to them. Facebook provided the easy-to-use tools, and gullible , divided Americans who think mainstream news sources are fake are such easy targets to news sources that actually are fake. It's like rain on your wedding day, when news skeptics turn out to be the most gullible.

This type of manipulation was so easy to do and didn't require much in the way of studying American psyches. "Likes" were counted for key words like "Conservative," "Republican," "Second Amendment," and channeled directly into easy-to-use FB templates, filled with faux news reports designed to exploit right-wing fears of liberal boogeymen. Hilary runs a secret child sex ring in a Washington DC pizza parlor. Somebody believed it! Nothing is too outlandish.

The Share button makes it so easy for this stuff to be spread like cracks in a windshield. Market greed and consumer paranoia see to that. In addition, Twitter makes it so easy for the gullible to influence the thinking of the most gullible, because the 140-character limit is not a control valve. It eliminates context and promotes superficiality. Everybody else seems to think this way, so it must be true! Look how many up-votes it got!

The Russians didn't do this through secret labs and mind-reading satellites. They were just internet trolls, and the more sheep they hooked, the funner it got. Just turn on your laptopski and make America eat its own fecal matter.

 

[interchange]

Yep. I don't really think that it's going to be easy to keep Russian propaganda outside of social media, etc. A tightening down will probably help a lot, but also people who have already drank the kool-aid aren't likely to give up their propaganda-influenced beliefs. But since these attacks were orchestrated from a foreign government, we do have options to address that. In my first thread on this, I suggested that Russian influence was an act of war. Is thinking about Russia on those terms a more reasonable consideration now?

 

[sportage]

The true and sad thing about the last election, more so than Trump or Russia, was Hilary herself.
Lets be totally honest, Hilary was a very flawed candidate.
Old people fondly remembered the Clinton's, but younger Americans looked at her as their nagging senile grandmother.
My first clue that Hilary was in big trouble came from the very beginning.
The media was all WILL SHE RUN? WILL SHE RUN? HILARY HAS TO RUN!
But in the real world, a lot of women and especially young women and including a hell of a lot of young democratic women just were not buying this Hilary sales pitch.

And too, Hilary had lost to Obama and people simply do like a one time loser having the nerve to run then fail again. Even Mitt Romney was smart enough to understand that.

Where this election went wrong was with a flawed candidate named Clinton, the media assuming this was a slam dunk, then the smoking gun was not emails or Russian hacking or servers. The smoking gun that brought down Hilary was how the DNC treated Bernie Sanders.
Maybe there was no actual proof that Hilary was involved, but her fingerprints were all over that mess.
The DNC, head of the DNC, and many liberals in the media tried their best to destroy Bernie.
That was the nasty part of that election more so than anything else.

Hilary's huge mistake was allowing and probably taking part with the DNC's attempt to destroyBernie Sanders.
Hilary should have chosen Bernie as her running mate. But frankly I think Bernie was too wise and smart to fall for that stunt.

They can rehash Russia and hacking all they want, but Hilary was the problem there, not hacking.
I hear many regrets that Burnie did not win out and go up against Trump. But few regrets from those that did not vote Hilary despite how they also now hate Trump.

 

[Jhhnn]

The true and sad thing about the last election, more so than Trump or Russia, was Hilary herself.
Lets be totally honest, Hilary was a very flawed candidate.
Old people fondly remembered the Clinton's, but younger Americans looked at her as their nagging senile grandmother.
My first clue that Hilary was in big trouble came from the very beginning.
The media was all WILL SHE RUN? WILL SHE RUN? HILARY HAS TO RUN!
But in the real world, a lot of women and especially young women and including a hell of a lot of young democratic women just were not buying this Hilary sales pitch.

And too, Hilary had lost to Obama and people simply do like a one time loser having the nerve to run then fail again. Even Mitt Romney was smart enough to understand that.

Where this election went wrong was with a flawed candidate named Clinton, the media assuming this was a slam dunk, then the smoking gun was not emails or Russian hacking or servers. The smoking gun that brought down Hilary was how the DNC treated Bernie Sanders.
Maybe there was no actual proof that Hilary was involved, but her fingerprints were all over that mess.
The DNC, head of the DNC, and many liberals in the media tried their best to destroy Bernie.
That was the nasty part of that election more so than anything else.

Hilary's huge mistake was allowing and probably taking part with the DNC's attempt to destroyBernie Sanders.
Hilary should have chosen Bernie as her running mate. But frankly I think Bernie was too wise and smart to fall for that stunt.

They can rehash Russia and hacking all they want, but Hilary was the problem there, not hacking.
I hear many regrets that Burnie did not win out and go up against Trump. But few regrets from those that did not vote Hilary despite how they also now hate Trump.

Yes, all too many Bernie fans are victims of Russian concern trolling. What? You didn't realize that was a big part of the program, twiddling with their heads by sowing resentment? Surprise! It was!

You might want to consider the idea that Bernie was right, that either he or Hillary were 100x better than any Repub, let alone Trump. Anybody of a liberal or progressive bent who has no regrets about not voting for Clinton is deep in denial.

Y'all got chumped as bad as the Trumpsters. If you haven't figured it out yet you're still chumped.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yep. I don't really think that it's going to be easy to keep Russian propaganda outside of social media, etc. A tightening down will probably help a lot, but also people who have already drank the kool-aid aren't likely to give up their propaganda-influenced beliefs. But since these attacks were orchestrated from a foreign government, we do have options to address that. In my first thread on this, I suggested that Russian influence was an act of war. Is thinking about Russia on those terms a more reasonable consideration now?

What we need is for a whole shitpile of people to wake up & admit that they fell for it, one way or another. You know, to say to themselves "What the Hell was I thinking? How could I have been so mistaken?"

 

[brandonbull]

What we need is for a whole shitpile of people to wake up & admit that they fell for it, one way or another. You know, to say to themselves "What the Hell was I thinking? How could I have been so mistaken?"

About Hillary and the Dems not being piles of crap?

 

[Jaskalas]

You know why people aren't talking about Clinton-Russia-Uranium? Because that issue was made public and scrutinized years ago. Only ignorant conservative-media dittoheads like yourself actually think this is new, interesting, and/or significant.

On this subject, Hannity goes for the gold:

 

[Jaskalas]

No one legitimately responded to anything I said. Insults and strawmen arguments, even when I was being reasonable. Exactly what I expected.

your post wasn't legitimate, why would you expect a legitimate response?

He provided a very well written and accurate portrait into the minds of "the other side".

 

[zinfamous]

No one legitimately responded to anything I said. Insults and strawmen arguments, even when I was being reasonable. Exactly what I expected.

Cuck echo chamber confirmed.

This is why you don't argue with liberals. Oh well, we'll keep winning and screwing your girlfriends/wives.

Dipshit virgin bedwetter, confirmed.

 

[JSt0rm]

About Hillary and the Dems not being piles of crap?

You are a russian. Get the fuck out of here.

 

[Jhhnn]

On this subject, Hannity goes for the gold:

They're still pushing it as "Mueller should resign!" trying to convince the public that Trump should fire him because Uranium! Because Hillary! Because a deal done in 2010 that harmed us not a bit is more important that the unfolding revelations of the Russians backing Trump in no small way. It's all designed to lead away from the central question for all Trump voters-

How does it feel to end up on the same side of the election as Russian mindfuck artists? Do you really think they're trying to help us out?

 

[SNC]

What was I implying?

You made a statement that a company was granted export rights and assumed that it meant that they shipped like FedEx to every country. You were proved wrong, just admit you were wrong, and take from this new info, that the news source you use to get your info might only be telling you half the story. What you did is exactly what I hate about hard lefties, they suck up what Maddow and that group says as gospel and ignore anything else. Man up, admit you acted a fool and begin to assist in taking back the Republican party from the fucking wacko shit for brains that are running the show now.

 

[vi edit]

Has any of this thread actually talked about Russia directly? That's why I made it.

Think of this in terms of computer viruses. What's the number one way to prevent viruses? Educate users and improve defenses and detection. Attacks happen because they work. They work because we allow them. You can go after hackers and prosecute but another is just going to step and try even harder.

To cut down on viruses personal accountability and education is required. Don't click on attachments you weren't expecting. If something looks odd, do a quick google search to see what it is. Have strong passwords for critical accounts. Ect. Half of the mess we are in is because of weak passwords and poor computer practices (Podesta for example).

Addressing those things that allowed this to happen in this election cycle protects us from the same problems from other countries. China is actively trying to undermine things here. Same with North Korea ramping up their cyber terrorism dept.

Sure we can go after Russia, but it doesn't fix the real problem and still leaves us vulnerable for another hostile entity to come in and do the same thing. We need to do a deep reflection on how we were vulnerable to these various forms of attack and influence. Then come up with a plan to detect them and prevent them in the future.

 

[vi edit]

So just this administration or any with a living President? As an example; If it were proved that Carter was aided by the Middle East should we apply the above list to that administration as well?

Frankly, I was in diapers for the majority of Carter's presidency so I don't know anything of that specific event. But to answer your question, yes. Yes, a fair and open democracy should be blind to partisanship. Any candidate found leveraging or cooperating with hostile foreign actors to undermine our democracy should have their campaign shut down or if they should be elected, we need an updated constitution that allows us to nullify it.

A hardline stance on both candidates and external threats has to be taken. We won't stand for it.

 

[interchange]

Think of this in terms of computer viruses. What's the number one way to prevent viruses? Educate users and improve defenses and detection. Attacks happen because they work. They work because we allow them. You can go after hackers and prosecute but another is just going to step and try even harder.

To cut down on viruses personal accountability and education is required. Don't click on attachments you weren't expecting. If something looks odd, do a quick google search to see what it is. Have strong passwords for critical accounts. Ect. Half of the mess we are in is because of weak passwords and poor computer practices (Podesta for example).

Addressing those things that allowed this to happen in this election cycle protects us from the same problems from other countries. China is actively trying to undermine things here. Same with North Korea ramping up their cyber terrorism dept.

Sure we can go after Russia, but it doesn't fix the real problem and still leaves us vulnerable for another hostile entity to come in and do the same thing. We need to do a deep reflection on how we were vulnerable to these various forms of attack and influence. Then come up with a plan to detect them and prevent them in the future.

You think we are likely to be more successful in shoring up cyber security for all people involved in political campaigns than we would be at addressing a hostile foreign government directly? That seems pretty ridiculous to me. But I don't think answering the question really matters. We need to do both. Post-haste.

 

[momeNt]

Setting aside the Constitution would have been taking the approach of "We had to destroy the town to save it". I'm not sure what would have been the best approach to take, but I feel confident that that wasn't it.

So it's better to elect the Russian candidate than to enact temporary extraordinary measures, such as leaving Obama in office for another year while the election tampering was investigated?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

So it's better to elect the Russian candidate than to enact temporary extraordinary measures, such as leaving Obama in office for another year while the election tampering was investigated?

Very, very dangerous at that point in time but I do not know the right answer and I don't think anyone does. Best we can do now is discuss and find agreement upon what the FBI, Justice Department, Intelligence Services and the President should do when it happens again.

Just think if a two term Trump declared he'd stay in office another year because the incoming President Elect had help from China.

 

[fskimospy]

Very, very dangerous at that point in time but I do not know the right answer and I don't think anyone does. Best we can do now is discuss and find agreement upon what the FBI, Justice Department, Intelligence Services and the President should do when it happens again.

Just think if a two term Trump declared he'd stay in office another year because the incoming President Elect had help from China.

Yeah I’m pretty sure once we do that once, beleaguered presidents start finding all sorts of reasons to delay elections and sooner or later maybe we stop having them at all.

You would need something TRULY extraordinary to postpone or set aside an election. Maybe if it turned out a foreign power had undeniably altered the vote totals in a way where we no longer had a reasonable idea of who won. MAYBE.

 

[sao123]

The true and sad thing about the last election, more so than Trump or Russia, was Hilary herself.
Lets be totally honest, Hilary was a very flawed candidate.
Old people fondly remembered the Clinton's, but younger Americans looked at her as their nagging senile grandmother.
My first clue that Hilary was in big trouble came from the very beginning.
The media was all WILL SHE RUN? WILL SHE RUN? HILARY HAS TO RUN!
But in the real world, a lot of women and especially young women and including a hell of a lot of young democratic women just were not buying this Hilary sales pitch.

And too, Hilary had lost to Obama and people simply do like a one time loser having the nerve to run then fail again. Even Mitt Romney was smart enough to understand that.

Where this election went wrong was with a flawed candidate named Clinton, the media assuming this was a slam dunk, then the smoking gun was not emails or Russian hacking or servers. The smoking gun that brought down Hilary was how the DNC treated Bernie Sanders.
Maybe there was no actual proof that Hilary was involved, but her fingerprints were all over that mess.
The DNC, head of the DNC, and many liberals in the media tried their best to destroy Bernie.
That was the nasty part of that election more so than anything else.

Hilary's huge mistake was allowing and probably taking part with the DNC's attempt to destroyBernie Sanders.
Hilary should have chosen Bernie as her running mate. But frankly I think Bernie was too wise and smart to fall for that stunt.

They can rehash Russia and hacking all they want, but Hilary was the problem there, not hacking.
I hear many regrets that Burnie did not win out and go up against Trump. But few regrets from those that did not vote Hilary despite how they also now hate Trump.

This is very much a large part of it, but its worse than that... the DNC doesnt care about getting a qualified president... their only agenda is to get disadvantagd minority ones, because that is their latest push. its all about the social justice bullshit, that they don't care about qualifications any more than the GOP.
Oh look at us, we got a woman president.
Next it will be we got a lesbian president, then a transvestite president.
They complain Trump is unqualified...
POT. KETTLE. BLACK.