Russia supplying NK with internet access

[Puffnstuff]

Why am I not surprised by this revelation as that regional circus continues to unfold. China is their primary ISP and agreed to abide by the UN sanctions but now Russia has stepped up to take their place. Will the sanctions really work when so many are circumventing them?

 

[FIVR]

Lol. It is sort of adorable the way Putin is always around to foil US plans. Wherever there is american hegemony attempting to assert itself, Putin appears like some super villain to ruin things for America.


You can see why the Russian people tolerate their repressive government and corrupt oligarchy. If Trump was half the geopolitical troll Putin is, he would have 70% approval ratings.

 

[Sonikku]

Thread title is misleading. Only about 1600 people in the whole country have internet access.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Lol. It is sort of adorable the way Putin is always around to foil US plans. Wherever there is american hegemony attempting to assert itself, Putin appears like some super villain to ruin things for America.


You can see why the Russian people tolerate their repressive government and corrupt oligarchy. If Trump was half the geopolitical troll Putin is, he would have 70% approval ratings.

looking for a raise?

 

[Gryz]

Putin appears like some super villain to ruin things for America.

All I see here is America trying to ruin things for the North-Koreans.

Just like America has ruined things for the Iraqi's, the Afghan people, the Syrians, the Libyans, the people from East-Ukraine, the Vietnamese, etc, etc. I really rather have the Russian supply Internet-connectivity to others, than that I'd have America come "bring freedom and democracy" to others.

 

[Puffnstuff]

All I see here is America trying to ruin things for the North-Koreans.

Just like America has ruined things for the Iraqi's, the Afghan people, the Syrians, the Libyans, the people from East-Ukraine, the Vietnamese, etc, etc. I really rather have the Russian supply Internet-connectivity to others, than that I'd have America come "bring freedom and democracy" to others.

But its one of our most profitable exports. If you believe Gen. Wesley Clark Iran is next.

 

[Brainonska511]

All I see here is America trying to ruin things for the North-Koreans.

Just like America has ruined things for the Iraqi's, the Afghan people, the Syrians, the Libyans, the people from East-Ukraine, the Vietnamese, etc, etc. I really rather have the Russian supply Internet-connectivity to others, than that I'd have America come "bring freedom and democracy" to others.

And how did the US "ruin" things for the people in east Ukraine? Did the US somehow force the Russians to invade Ukraine?

Lol. It is sort of adorable the way Putin is always around to foil US plans. Wherever there is american hegemony attempting to assert itself, Putin appears like some super villain to ruin things for America.


You can see why the Russian people tolerate their repressive government and corrupt oligarchy. If Trump was half the geopolitical troll Putin is, he would have 70% approval ratings.

The Russian people tolerate being a faded superpower with an economy in the dumps, just so they can stick fingers in people's eyes? Right...

 

[KB]

Not sure why we don't just ban all Russian IPs and routes in our edge routers. Russia seems to only want to hack us anyway, now they want to help NK do it too.

 

[shortylickens]

Trump is gonna have a heck of a time threatening North Korea AND kissing Putins buttocks at the same time, but I'm sure he'll prevail, somehow.

 

[FIVR]

The Russian people tolerate being a faded superpower with an economy in the dumps, just so they can stick fingers in people's eyes? Right...

The Russian people have suffered under Tyrants for centuries. They like these kinds of leaders because Russia is a huge country that cannot be governed by having soldiers or police everywhere. Old Russian proverb is "God is high above, and Tsar is far away" - meaning that local concerns usually override central government authority. The only way to hold sway over such large territory is through fear and control (tyranny).


They like Putin because he instills fear in people thousands of miles away who are not actually under his control at all. American irrationally fear Putin and so do people in many other countries such a Syria. This is good for Russia because fear is a form of control. Putin is Tsar far away, yet Americans are still scared.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Oh, the NorK citizens have it so good under the little fat boy. Life would be so much better for them had we not interfered for the last 20+ years. Not saying that the US is even remotely close to being blameless in anything, but if you think NK would be just fine and dandy outside of the US doing anything, you're being quite ridiculous.

All I see here is America trying to ruin things for the North-Koreans.

Just like America has ruined things for the Iraqi's, the Afghan people, the Syrians, the Libyans, the people from East-Ukraine, the Vietnamese, etc, etc. I really rather have the Russian supply Internet-connectivity to others, than that I'd have America come "bring freedom and democracy" to others.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Putin is Tsar far away, yet Americans are still scared.

Not hardly. LOL The rhetoric is comical as best.

 

[FIVR]

Not hardly. LOL The rhetoric is comical as best.

You sound scared. Do not worry, Putin has no power here. We are safe.

 

[Jhhnn]

All I see here is America trying to ruin things for the North-Koreans.

Just like America has ruined things for the Iraqi's, the Afghan people, the Syrians, the Libyans, the people from East-Ukraine, the Vietnamese, etc, etc. I really rather have the Russian supply Internet-connectivity to others, than that I'd have America come "bring freedom and democracy" to others.

You may be right about some of that, but East Ukraine is Putin's doing.

 

[FIVR]

All I see here is America trying to ruin things for the North-Koreans.

Just like America has ruined things for the Iraqi's, the Afghan people, the Syrians, the Libyans, the people from East-Ukraine, the Vietnamese, etc, etc. I really rather have the Russian supply Internet-connectivity to others, than that I'd have America come "bring freedom and democracy" to others.

I think America has already ruined things in North Korea. We killed 20% of their population in the 50s and then we proceeded to isolate them politically and then threatened and harassed them for 60 or so years. We started threatening to Nuke them preemptively when Captain Texas aka George W. Bush came into office. Clinton was the only one who attempted to negotiate with them, but he could've ended their famine with a few words... and didn't. They've been through innumerable hardships because of the treatment they've received form the world community and the US specifically.


What we are doing now is just a attempted continuation of that policy. The problem is we no longer can keep a straight face while calling ourselves "saviors of democracy" with a leader like Trump at the helm. In the past, other countries respected the US for its stated ideals and for the charisma and intelligence of our leaders. That started changing with George W. Bush and changed completely with Trump. Now we are a laughing stock with nuclear weapons and a huge military. The world laughs nervously at us while North Korea sees this as their chance to break out as a world power.

 

[Gryz]

And how did the US "ruin" things for the people in east Ukraine? Did the US somehow force the Russians to invade Ukraine?

There was a democratically elected government in the Ukraine.
You (and me) might not have liked that government. But they were the government elected by the majority of Ukrainians.

A violent revolution, encouraged (if not partially planned) by the West, overthrew that elected government.
The people who voted for that overthrown government did not accept the violent putsch/coup d'etat. Especially not because the new rulers declared immediately that they would cut all ties with Russia. E.g. they stated in the first weeks that they would forbid Russian as the official second language of the Ukraine. (I believe a third of Ukrainians speaks Russian as their first language). Stuff like that rubs people the wrong way. No surpise things went wrong. The fact that the new government in the Ukraine decided to take up arms against their own civilians is a strong indicators that the new government is just as bad, or worse, as the previous one. Corruption has certainly not improved.

If the US (and the EU) had not mingled in the internal affairs of another country, Ukraine would have been a lot better off than it is now.

Just like the situation in Syria. Syria was not a fun country. Nobody needs to be explained that Assad is a dick. However, people in Syria could live in relative peace. Different religions were tolerated.

And then Saudi-Arabia and Qatar decided that Assad had to go. And they funded (money and weapons) a bunch of terrorist to start a civil war in Syria. They funded any sunni group they could find. And you can be sure: not much is going on in the Middle-East without the US knowing about it, and condoning it. Result: civil war in Syria, country destroyed, half a million people dead.

Of course the media in the US are not gonna report the story like this. Neither do the media in Europe. Most newspapers and tv-stations follow the official story given to them by their governments. We are the good guys. We came to bring peace. But the "bad guys" don't like our freedom and democracy. Yeah, right.

Read this article, written by an American, to learn more about how the US (and the EU) has been messing up the Middle-East for decades.
http://www.politico.eu/article/why-...s-in-syria-mideast-conflict-oil-intervention/

 

[Gryz]

You may be right about some of that, but East Ukraine is Putin's doing.

That is the story the Western governments want to you to believe. Suddenly Russia was the big bad enemy. It is a fabricated sentiment. No Russian has ever called me no nggr. I was not at war with Russia. And I am still not at war with them.

See my post above here.
The Ukraine was a country in peace. But because someone decided they didn't like what the majority of the Ukrainians wanted, they decided to go stir in the shit. Result is a civil war. And that is not because Putin started it. It is purely because the West started messing with things that are not their business.

 

[Gryz]

Oh, the NorK citizens have it so good under the little fat boy.

No they don't. NK is terrible. Something should be done about NK.

But fact is that the world didn't give a fuck about the lives of millions of N-Koreans. The reason things get heated is because you have a complete idiot for a President. And it's easy to push his buttons. Another reason might be that the US military-industrial complex needs another war to make more money. War in the Middle-East might be getting out of style. Maybe try Asia again.

Remember South-Africa ? Life in South-Africa was terrible before 1990. Well, if you happened to not be white. Did we bomb South-Africa to smithereens ? Did we nuke them from orbit ? No. Did we start a civil war ? Did we fund their freedom-fighters (or terrorist, as some white supremacists in the west called them) ? Nope. The UN put economic and cultural sanctions on South-Africa. After more than a decade of pressure on them, they decided to give in, and abolish Apartheid.

That would have been the way to deal with Syria. Maybe with Iraq too. Not war. Not sending in terrorist to start a civil war. Not sending in CIA-agents to fuck up internal politics (like you did in South-America in the seventies). The US is not the police officer of the world. The US has no right to meddle in other country's business. The US has absolutely no right for military action against NK. If NK does something you don't like, go to the UN. Or let China or Russia deal with it. They are NK's neighbors.

If only Trump would have done what he promised. Make America great again, and don't spend a second on anything outside of your borders.

 

[J.Wilkins]

No they don't. NK is terrible. Something should be done about NK.

But fact is that the world didn't give a fuck about the lives of millions of N-Koreans. The reason things get heated is because you have a complete idiot for a President. And it's easy to push his buttons. Another reason might be that the US military-industrial complex needs another war to make more money. War in the Middle-East might be getting out of style. Maybe try Asia again.

Remember South-Africa ? Life in South-Africa was terrible before 1990. Well, if you happened to not be white. Did we bomb South-Africa to smithereens ? Did we nuke them from orbit ? No. Did we start a civil war ? Did we fund their freedom-fighters (or terrorist, as some white supremacists in the west called them) ? Nope. The UN put economic and cultural sanctions on South-Africa. After more than a decade of pressure on them, they decided to give in, and abolish Apartheid.

That would have been the way to deal with Syria. Maybe with Iraq too. Not war. Not sending in terrorist to start a civil war. Not sending in CIA-agents to fuck up internal politics (like you did in South-America in the seventies). The US is not the police officer of the world. The US has no right to meddle in other country's business. The US has absolutely no right for military action against NK. If NK does something you don't like, go to the UN. Or let China or Russia deal with it. They are NK's neighbors.

If only Trump would have done what he promised. Make America great again, and don't spend a second on anything outside of your borders.

The point here is that Trump wants to start something so he can get to Iran which is what he really wants to do.

No NK war, no Axis of Evil and no invasion of Iran.

 

[alien42]

That is the story the Western governments want to you to believe. Suddenly Russia was the big bad enemy. It is a fabricated sentiment. No Russian has ever called me no nggr. I was not at war with Russia. And I am still not at war with them.

See my post above here.
The Ukraine was a country in peace. But because someone decided they didn't like what the majority of the Ukrainians wanted, they decided to go stir in the shit. Result is a civil war. And that is not because Putin started it. It is purely because the West started messing with things that are not their business.

sorry, but if you are an American, Russia is indeed at war with you.

 

[Puffnstuff]

sorry, but if you are an American, Russia is indeed at war with you.

Some people here like to deliberately troll Americans so don't act surprised by the dithering blather they spew.

 

[thilanliyan]

The Russian people have suffered under Tyrants for centuries. They like these kinds of leaders because Russia is a huge country that cannot be governed by having soldiers or police everywhere. Old Russian proverb is "God is high above, and Tsar is far away" - meaning that local concerns usually override central government authority. The only way to hold sway over such large territory is through fear and control (tyranny).

Canada is also a massive country, and yet we don't need a tyrant to rule?

 

[Gryz]

sorry, but if you are an American, Russia is indeed at war with you.

I'm not an American. I'm not a troll. And yes, I don't think Russia is at war with your country or mine.

I remember everybody having a great time in Sochi in 2014. And a few weeks later, suddenly our media (US and European alike) started writing that Russia is our enemy. I don't get it. Sure, Russia is far from an ideal country. (I wouldn't wanna live there. I wish the Russian people would elect someone else but Putin). But they are not the country of the devil either. Somebody started an intentional media campaign to make them our enemies again. It's like someone wanted the Cold War back.

Or maybe someone had stock in an energy-company that wanted to invest in the Ukraine. Or someone had family working in such a company ....

 

[hal2kilo]

I'm not an American. I'm not a troll. And yes, I don't think Russia is at war with your country or mine.

I remember everybody having a great time in Sochi in 2014. And a few weeks later, suddenly our media (US and European alike) started writing that Russia is our enemy. I don't get it. Sure, Russia is far from an ideal country. (I wouldn't wanna live there. I wish the Russian people would elect someone else but Putin). But they are not the country of the devil either. Somebody started an intentional media campaign to make them our enemies again. It's like someone wanted the Cold War back.

Or maybe someone had stock in an energy-company that wanted to invest in the Ukraine. Or someone had family working in such a company ....

I refuse to accept your propaganda spew. How much does this pay?

 

[kage69]

I'm not an American. I'm not a troll. And yes, I don't think Russia is at war with your country or mine.

You are stressing the classical sense of the term of course. Hybrid warfare, it's all the rage haven't you heard? To say nothing of the election interference. Cold War 2.0 whether you like it or not.