Russia = Soviet Union - case in point is execution of Arbi Barayev

[Pyro]

<< Pyro-

I never said that it was okay to bomb Serbia, eh? You are really positioning yourself as the village idiot with your irrational arguments. The truth is that the Serbian targets did include alot of civilian targets. They also involved two Chinese reporters surgically eliminated, within the Chinese embassy, with cruise missiles. You also forgot the attack on the convoy of hayrack-towing tractors that left around 30 dead. We could go on and on. All of them innocent bystanders. We could also go on and point out the 100,000 civilians that died needlessly in the Yugoslavian civil war. Again, all for the wrong reasons. One tragedy does not justify another. >>



maybe you didn't, but just two days ago I was having a similar argument with other people who wholeheartedly supported the bombing apparently.

The point of all this is to leave the Russians alone to deal with their problems. Did Putin ever tell you what to do with McVeigh?

 

[MadRat]

SuperTool-

Actually the second round was initiated by the Russians, not any particular action by Chechnyans. Putin used two separate bombings blamed on Chechnyans (due to lack of other scapegoats) to justify what they did to Grozny.


<<The point of all this is to leave the Russians alone to deal with their problems. Did Putin ever tell you what to do with McVeigh? >>
Pyro-

Chechnya was never a willing participant in the Soviet Union. The rebellion dates back to the very day that the czar sent troops into the Armenian region. Russia wanted a buffer zone, the Chechnyans wanted the buffer to be elsewhere. The war will not end until either Russia falls or until every last Russian soldier leaves the region.

You are wacko. Executing Tim McVeigh solved nothing. It made him a martyr. And yes, the world did tell the United States not to execute him. Unfortunately we now live with the legacy of a country that executes its citizens. The excuses for execution will become easier to make than tougher. I expect many more to come.

 

[MadRat]

*notices Pyro mum*

C'mon, snappy, lets hear your comeback.

 

[glenn1]

<< The point of all this is to leave the Russians alone to deal with their problems. Did Putin ever tell you what to do with McVeigh? >>



Wow, what deep thinking... i'm sure that Holocaust survivors would feel the same way.... &quot;just leave the Germans alone to deal with their problems.&quot;

Pull your head out of your a**. This isn't about the U.S. imposing our will on another nation, it's about standing for the principles of basic human rights, no matter what the location.

 

[Argo]

<< This isn't about the U.S. imposing our will on another nation, it's about standing for the principles of basic human rights, no matter what the location. >>



No, this is how world war 3 will start.

 

[ManSnake]

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<< The point of all this is to leave the Russians alone to deal with their problems. Did Putin ever tell you what to do with McVeigh? >>



Wow, what deep thinking... i'm sure that Holocaust survivors would feel the same way.... &quot;just leave the Germans alone to deal with their problems.&quot;

Pull your head out of your a**. This isn't about the U.S. imposing our will on another nation, it's about standing for the principles of basic human rights, no matter what the location. >>



ROFLMAO!! Are you really that naive in thinking that our government (US) is fighting to preserve freedom for all? Stop it, our hypocritical government is no saint, the reason we are involved in all the &quot;peace missions&quot; is for our &quot;national interest&quot;, in other words interests of those politicians.

 

[AmazonRasta]

if you're gonna critizise the russians, at least make sure your own army is better.

How can you say that his army isn't better, when you're comparing Russia's army of today with the United State's army of over 30 years ago?

 

[glenn1]

<< Stop it, our hypocritical government is no saint, the reason we are involved in all the &quot;peace missions&quot; is for our &quot;national interest&quot;, in other words interests of those politicians. >>



Who said anything about a peace mission to Russia? They should be subject to the same scruntiny in their government's conduct as any other nation, and condemnation and/or sanctions when fitting. Or do you think that when countries commit acts which go against what is expected of a civilized nation, such as Tianamen Square, that we should just shrug our shoulders and go, &quot;well, Russians will be Russians, and we shouldn't stick our nose into their business&quot; ?

The Russians deserve scorn for their actions. The U.S. isn't above being on the receiving end for scorn when actions of its government are out of line either. But to suggest that we have no moral authortity do ever comment on how another government handles its affairs is ludricrous.

 

[Pyro]

<< Tuesday, June 26, 2001 7:43 AM (NEW!)
come on snappy, lets hear your comeback. >>



yeah, you may have not noticed, but some of us need sleep.


I think all of you here should know how much &quot;scorn&quot; and &quot;comment&quot; do to chance another nation's policies.
Btw, you still haven't provided a link...

 

[ManSnake]

The U.S. isn't above being on the receiving end for scorn when actions of its government are out of line either.

But I didn't see you screaming &quot;scorn US&quot; when our government's action is out of line.

 

[glenn1]

you obviously haven't heard me get wound up over Ruby Ridge, Waco, or numerous other incidents of recent times in which our conduct could have been much improved, to say the least...