- Sep 6, 2000
- 25,383
- 1,013
- 126
Originally posted by: burnedout
I guess "teh eval Americans" aren't alone on this issue now.
Originally posted by: burnedout
I guess "teh eval Americans" aren't alone on this issue now.
Originally posted by: busmaster11
Anyone say anything different has been reading too much of that right-wing redneck heritage foundation propaganda.
Originally posted by: miguel
Originally posted by: busmaster11
Anyone say anything different has been reading too much of that right-wing redneck heritage foundation propaganda.
DO you realize that by making statements like that, you rule out any possible discussion with you on anything? Do you enjoy the company of people who agree with you 100% all the time?
Originally posted by: busmaster11
Originally posted by: miguel
Originally posted by: busmaster11
Anyone say anything different has been reading too much of that right-wing redneck heritage foundation propaganda.
DO you realize that by making statements like that, you rule out any possible discussion with you on anything? Do you enjoy the company of people who agree with you 100% all the time?
Not quite... But you will find that the people in this forum, including myself, have largely made up our minds and are not likely to be persuaded. I'll grant you, it wasn't the most well qualified thing to say, but I assure you, its out of frustration.
Originally posted by: miguel
Originally posted by: busmaster11
Originally posted by: miguel
Originally posted by: busmaster11
Anyone say anything different has been reading too much of that right-wing redneck heritage foundation propaganda.
DO you realize that by making statements like that, you rule out any possible discussion with you on anything? Do you enjoy the company of people who agree with you 100% all the time?
Not quite... But you will find that the people in this forum, including myself, have largely made up our minds and are not likely to be persuaded. I'll grant you, it wasn't the most well qualified thing to say, but I assure you, its out of frustration.
THat's fine and all, but why on Earth would you be frustrated? Because others think differently? If you have such a closed mind, does that mean you read the forums looking to disagree with others regardless of what is written, as long as it's different from your point of view?
America is a great place because people can live next to each other and have totally different views of the world. To close yourself up like that is doing yourself a disservice. Lighten up and open your mind a little to different ideas.
Originally posted by: Jmman
Why in the world would the US sign that treaty based upon junk science? Do you want to pay $3.50 for gasoline? Or maybe you want more jobs to go overseas since costs here will skyrocket? I like how those little pesky "developing" nations are exempt from Kyoto, you know, like China and India? China really deserves to be exempt since they have one of the fastest growing economies and they are only the second largest emitter of greenhouse gases on the planet...........
Originally posted by: Jmman
Hey friend, I have just spent one whole semester researching Kyoto, and they are plenty of reputable scientists out there that question the link between anthropogenic emissions and global warming. Sorry to burst your bubble......
Originally posted by: busmaster11
You can find plenty of scientists that argue either way. My favorite example is Stephen Schneider, scientist at NCAR and Stanford, often criticized for hehe, ironically, molding his theories upon the latest scientific models, and can be seen on lots of PBS documentaries such as Infinite voyage and NOVA. But he'll also qualify his words, and take a vast knowledge of politics into account, as can be seen in this SCIAM critique..
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000F3D47-C6D2-1CEB-93F6809EC5880000&pageNumber=1&catID=2
The point is neither of this will impress you or I, and we've made our mind up long ago.
I ask you this - do you feel there is a moral obligation for the US to be an example to the world to environmental responsibility?
A good leader does not look back to make sure everyone's following before he acts.
Originally posted by: busmaster11
Originally posted by: Jmman
Why in the world would the US sign that treaty based upon junk science? Do you want to pay $3.50 for gasoline? Or maybe you want more jobs to go overseas since costs here will skyrocket? I like how those little pesky "developing" nations are exempt from Kyoto, you know, like China and India? China really deserves to be exempt since they have one of the fastest growing economies and they are only the second largest emitter of greenhouse gases on the planet...........
The whole point of leading the world when you are the most prosperous country is to do so voluntarily as an acknowledgement that you can afford what others can't.
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: busmaster11
You can find plenty of scientists that argue either way. My favorite example is Stephen Schneider, scientist at NCAR and Stanford, often criticized for hehe, ironically, molding his theories upon the latest scientific models, and can be seen on lots of PBS documentaries such as Infinite voyage and NOVA. But he'll also qualify his words, and take a vast knowledge of politics into account, as can be seen in this SCIAM critique..
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000F3D47-C6D2-1CEB-93F6809EC5880000&pageNumber=1&catID=2
The point is neither of this will impress you or I, and we've made our mind up long ago.
I ask you this - do you feel there is a moral obligation for the US to be an example to the world to environmental responsibility?
A good leader does not look back to make sure everyone's following before he acts.
If the greens would stop waiting for the perfect solution, we could really make some progress. They seem to find fault with any technology that exists for cleaner power.
Originally posted by: busmaster11
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: busmaster11
You can find plenty of scientists that argue either way. My favorite example is Stephen Schneider, scientist at NCAR and Stanford, often criticized for hehe, ironically, molding his theories upon the latest scientific models, and can be seen on lots of PBS documentaries such as Infinite voyage and NOVA. But he'll also qualify his words, and take a vast knowledge of politics into account, as can be seen in this SCIAM critique..
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000F3D47-C6D2-1CEB-93F6809EC5880000&pageNumber=1&catID=2
The point is neither of this will impress you or I, and we've made our mind up long ago.
I ask you this - do you feel there is a moral obligation for the US to be an example to the world to environmental responsibility?
A good leader does not look back to make sure everyone's following before he acts.
If the greens would stop waiting for the perfect solution, we could really make some progress. They seem to find fault with any technology that exists for cleaner power.
So progress is being impeded by the um... environmentalist majority in Congress?
Seriously, I know there are left-wing and right-wing nuts out there...
Hell, from reading some of the pedantic rants about our country on these boards, one might possibly conclude that we are the most evil civilization ever to inhabit the Earth.Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: burnedout
I guess "teh eval Americans" aren't alone on this issue now.
So it's the former evil empire (RR's words) we compare ourselves to now?