Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Perknose

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Wouldn't this lead to Iran declaring war on Isreal?
Iran formally declaring war on Israel, at this point Is(not)real. Read further, possibly not in the link you provided, and you will learn that Israel has been attacking inside Iran multiple times already.

Here 'ya go:

"In June 2021, quadcopters exploded at one of Iran’s main manufacturing centers for centrifuges, which purify uranium at the country’s two major uranium enrichment facilities, Fordow and Natanz. That attack was in Karaj, on the outskirts of Tehran. Iran claimed that there was no damage to the site, but satellite images showed evidence of significant damage.

A year ago, six quadcopters exploded at Kermanshah, Iran’s main manufacturing and storage plant for military drones.

And in May 2022, a drone strike targeted a highly sensitive military site outside Tehran where Iran develops missile, nuclear and drone technology."
 

Jaskalas

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The northern end of the eastern line is seeing a heavy concentration of Russian troops, likely to hold the line and slow Ukrainian advance, or possibly to launch a new offensive towards Lyman and Kupiansk. Either way, it looks like 10s of thousands of Russians will need to die before the battle of Kreminna can break in Ukraine's favor.

 

K1052

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Seoul has generally been reluctant to supply munitions to Ukraine though has sold some 155mm shells to the the US as an acceptable intermediary.

Given South Korea's armament production capacity it would probably not turn out great for the Russians if they changed their minds, as the US has been pressing them to do.

 

K1052

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interesting that brazil authorizes 1 but not the other?

Germany probably argued that the 35mm is purely defensive which is true and that they'd replace it with new stock once production is running in Germany again.
 

rommelrommel

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Apparently, it was isreal:

Wouldn't this lead to Iran declaring war on Isreal if true?

Further to this, to what end would they declare war on Israel? They’d have to transit Iraq and Syria to actually do anything. Their air force is awful. It would open them up to Israel running a sustained and open air campaign against them. Meanwhile they have a lot of unrest at home, trying to put more of their meagre dollars into fighting a war they can’t win won’t help there.
 
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K1052

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Further to this, to what end would they declare war on Israel? They’d have to transit Iraq and Syria to actually do anything. Their air force is awful. It would open them up to Israel running a sustained and open air campaign against them. Meanwhile they have a lot of unrest at home, trying to put more of their meagre dollars into fighting a war they can’t win won’t help there.

Israel has long acted covertly in Iran conducting espionage, industrial sabotage, and assassinations of regime/arms industry figures. These kind of drone attacks are new but fit into that picture. Iran isn't going to start a war they'd lose over this stuff.
 

JEDI

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Further to this, to what end would they declare war on Israel?
They’d have to transit Iraq and Syria to actually do anything. Their air force is awful.
It would open them up to Israel running a sustained and open air campaign against them.

Meanwhile they have a lot of unrest at home, trying to put more of their meagre dollars into fighting a war they can’t win won’t help there.
so iran retaliates via the terror groups they are funding.
we should expect suicide bombers soon?
 

brycejones

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so iran retaliates via the terror groups they are funding.
we should expect suicide bombers soon?
I have a feeling this is already in retaliation for the latest round of attacks in the west bank. Hardliners in both countries are served by stoking the fire.
 

JEDI

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Bradley:
-hybrid tank killer (2 tow missiles) + personnel carrier (3 crew + 6 infantry).
- Primary gun: 25mm chain gun with selectable ammo boxes (regular, armor piercing, incendiary) <Kinda like Judge Dread's sidearm :p >
- secondary gun: 7.62 machine gun

it replaced the vietnam era m113 armored personnel carrier in the front line transport role.
M113: carried 2crew + 11 infantry. it only had a M2 machine gun.

So the US Army has shifted strategy to more firepower in the front lines and less infantry.
Interestingly, The planned replacement of the remainder of the m113's (support roles) with a general purpose armored personnel carrier.
It holds 2 crew and also just 6 troops. :eek:
(Still in engineering and manufacturing phase with 29 to be produced)
 
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brycejones

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Bradley:
-hybrid tank killer (2 tow missiles) + personnel carrier (3 crew + 6 infantry).
- Primary gun: 25mm chain gun with selectable ammo boxes (regular, armor piercing, incendiary) <Kinda like Judge Dread's sidearm :p >
- secondary gun: 7.62 machine gun

it replaced the vietnam era m113 armored personnel carrier in the front line transport role.
M113: carried 2crew + 11 infantry. it only had a M2 machine gun.

So the US Army has shifted strategy to more firepower in the front lines and less infantry.
Interestingly, The planned replacement of the remainder of the m113's with a general purpose armored personnel carrier.
It holds 2 crew and also just 6 troops. :eek:
Welcome to 1985?
 
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rommelrommel

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Bradley:
-hybrid tank killer (2 tow missiles) + personnel carrier (3 crew + 6 infantry).
- Primary gun: 25mm chain gun with selectable ammo boxes (regular, armor piercing, incendiary) <Kinda like Judge Dread's sidearm :p >
- secondary gun: 7.62 machine gun

it replaced the vietnam era m113 armored personnel carrier in the front line transport role.
M113: carried 2crew + 11 infantry. it only had a M2 machine gun.

So the US Army has shifted strategy to more firepower in the front lines and less infantry.
Interestingly, The planned replacement of the remainder of the m113's (support roles) with a general purpose armored personnel carrier.
It holds 2 crew and also just 6 troops. :eek:
(Still in engineering and manufacturing phase with 29 to be produced)

Less troops per vehicle does not mean less troops overall. You can't make a reasonably sized modern IFV that also fits 11 infantrymen.
 

JEDI

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Less troops per vehicle does not mean less troops overall. You can't make a reasonably sized modern IFV that also fits 11 infantrymen.
ah.. so the hybrid tank killer fills the role of light tank and added infantry carrier as a bonus?
 

rommelrommel

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ah.. so the hybrid tank killer fills the role of light tank and added infantry carrier as a bonus?

I would say it’s an Infantry carrier that can also fight and protect from enemy armor in a pinch. I don’t think any Bradley driver is gonna be hoping to hunt tanks unless it’s at night against an opponent with no NV.
 
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JEDI

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If $100k easy to carry shoulder launched Javelins can kill any tank (including $9M Abrams), then will this be the next gen MBT?

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(kidding.. prop from Transformers movie) :p [/spolier]
 
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Wouldn't this lead to Iran declaring war on Isreal if true?
Good lord no. Iran had trouble with a demented Iraq, with whom the latter was being supplied by the west. Their engagements were mostly tit for tat, with Iraq having the upper hand most times due to knowing the lay of their land. Iran would crumble in the face of an actual force like Israel who have experience in war and engagements. This is why Russia is failing so bad. Their modern wars have been against Afghan rebels, Chechens and their own counterparts in the early 90s and in 2008. Russia would get their asses whooped if they went against an actual NATO army. They're regularly getting beaten back by Ukrainians who've gone under NATO inspired training (correct me if I'm wrong). The Russians seem to be used the same playbook they've had for decades going back however long.

Israel's airforce alone would cripple all of Iran in a 72 hour air campaign. All Iran can do is muster up threatening words. They can't afford a war right now. Even if they could financially, they don't have the expertise or ability to win a war against a properly trained military force. Israel doesn't even have to send in foot soldiers to get Iran to surrender. Frankly we should use Israel to force a regime change in Iran.

Not sure what kind of weapons Israel uses for long distance take downs, but heck they might not even need to get close to Iran's borders to destroy them into nothingness.