Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

[kage69]

They remembered the raccoon!

 

[Racan]

This is awful

https://twitter.com/x/status/1596530528437641224

 

[Young Grasshopper]

Bruh

Ukraine Wanted to Join NATO's Alliance for Years. What Stopped It?

In the years before war, Ukraine’s leaders made enthusiastic pleas about their desire to bring the country into NATO, and the prospect rose in popularity in public polls.

www.nbcnewyork.com

"In the 1990s, as NATO reevaluated its purpose in a world without a powerful Soviet Union — which the alliance was designed to counterbalance — NATO formed a more organized process for prospective countries: the Membership Action Plan. The program aimed to help aspiring nations who were interested in joining solidify their application through goals and recommendations from NATO’s leadership, many of which involve democratic, economic and other ideals. "

I'll give you a hint, Ukraine worked its ass off to meet these anti corruption and democratic ideals and was largely successful, so successful that NATO members, EU members, at this point would be hard pressed to find a reason to not accept the country. So on the verge of joining the west, for all its struggles, Russia intervenes, goes to war, cause in a another year it may not be a possibility anymore.

There is a difference between what NATO says and what is reality. Did Ukraine not seek NATO membership over the past few years? Do I need to post the video again where Zelensky told CNN NATO told him Ukraine would never be a NATO member? Stop falling for western propaganda.


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[fskimospy]

There is a difference between what NATO says and what is reality. Did Ukraine not seek NATO membership over the past few years? Do I need to post the video again where Zelensky told CNN NATO told him Ukraine would never be a NATO member? Stop falling for western propaganda.


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You do realize you’re a propaganda victim, right?

Russia lies about everything. Literally everything. They count on you to amplify their lies because they think you are stupid. Do you think they are right?

 

[K1052]

Ukrainian PzH 2000 non-critically damaged. Probably sent to Lithuania for repairs.

NATO has set up repair yards in Poland for western gear. Given the physical size of Ukraine they want to move these closer to the front so equipment doesn't spend so much time in transport. Russian spec equipment that needs heavy work gets sent to Czechia AFAIK.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1596599767672520704

 

[kage69]

Ukrainian PzH 2000 non-critically damaged. Probably sent to Lithuania for repairs.

NATO has set up repair yards in Poland for western gear. Given the physical size of Ukraine they want to move these closer to the front so equipment doesn't spend so much time in transport. Russian spec equipment that needs heavy work gets sent to Czechia AFAIK.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1596599767672520704

Bound to happen sooner or later I guess. Kind of surprised they've gone this long without losing several, what with the drones. I know one of their Caesers got damaged this past summer, probably already back killing orcs though.

I still can't believe they put a bunch on barges and towed them out to sea (10km!) so they could shell boats and Snake Island. Serious balls there.

 

[Young Grasshopper]

You do realize you’re a propaganda victim, right?

Russia lies about everything. Literally everything. They count on you to amplify their lies because they think you are stupid. Do you think they are right?

Actually I have known about this conflict for the past 8 years, where as everyone else is just caught up in the current events and whatever they hear on the news. I know the history, the vast majority of people don’t.

I’ll do you a favor. Here is a lecture by John Mearsheimer on this conflict. He gave this lecture back in 2016, way before this invasion started and warned Russia would one day invade Ukraine due to NATOs policies.

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[fskimospy]

Actually I have known about this conflict for the past 8 years, where as everyone else is just caught up in the current events and whatever they hear on the news. I know the history, the vast majority of people don’t.

I’ll do you a favor. Here is a lecture by John Mearsheimer on this conflict. He gave this lecture back in 2016, way before this invasion started and warned Russia would one day invade Ukraine due to NATOs policies.

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We already covered this.

John Mearsheimer on Putin’s Ambitions After Nine Months of War

The realist political scientist explains why Russia’s move to annex four Ukrainian provinces isn’t imperialism.

www.newyorker.com

How do you explain this?

 

[K1052]

Bound to happen sooner or later I guess. Kind of surprised they've gone this long without losing several, what with the drones. I know one of their Caesers got damaged this past summer, probably already back killing orcs though.

I still can't believe they put a bunch on barges and towed them out to sea (10km!) so they could shell boats and Snake Island. Serious balls there.

I think that detail in the NYT story is probably wrong. There are pics and video of the Ukrainians using their 2S22 Bohdana from shore to work over Snake Island. They might have barged it into the Danube delta only about 35km from the island, well within range of base bleed and RAP projectiles for a 52 caliber gun.

 

[rommelrommel]

Actually I have known about this conflict for the past 8 years, where as everyone else is just caught up in the current events and whatever they hear on the news. I know the history, the vast majority of people don’t.

I’ll do you a favor. Here is a lecture by John Mearsheimer on this conflict. He gave this lecture back in 2016, way before this invasion started and warned Russia would one day invade Ukraine due to NATOs policies.

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Laughable.

I was disappointed by Obama’s lack of action regarding Crimea. Your only awareness was probably your glee at your strongman role model stealing what he wanted. I imagine you still are unsure about who shot down a plane full of civilians.

Let’s accept that Putin was provoked because of western support for Ukraine. I think that much is fair as it’s contrary to his interests of an illiberal and undemocratic world.

How do you get from Putin wanting a neo-fascist world to him being right to invade Ukraine?

The only way I can get there is if you have much the same desires as Putin. No democracy. Not many freedoms. Authoritarian strongmen controlling everything of value.

Are the faults of the west that bad? Are we so irredeemably broken that we to need to give up on the vision of a free and democratic society? Is a “benevolent” fascism better?

 

[RnR_au]

Take salt.. but Russia might be getting tired of Belarus and their reluctance to enter the war. Russia needs more bodies.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1596524311275503616

https://twitter.com/x/status/1596623268110553088

 

[RnR_au]

An excellent thread from Garry Kasparov - "America must again become the *Arsenal of Democracy* as FDR coined it in WWII. Time to build, to fight, and to win!";

https://twitter.com/x/status/1596565621851889664

 

[cytg111]

There is a difference between what NATO says and what is reality. Did Ukraine not seek NATO membership over the past few years? Do I need to post the video again where Zelensky told CNN NATO told him Ukraine would never be a NATO member? Stop falling for western propaganda.


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Lol its not western propaganda dude. If you want to be part of NATO you gotta walk and talk like the duck. It is what it is, and Ukraine did not, deeply corrupt and subject to influence from a lot of not-democratic-aligned entities.
Also you talk about NATO as some sovereign entity. Its not. If we the people wants Ukraine in the flock, our politicians WILL get in fucking line and say "yes sir" "thank you sir" "will do sir".
Thats the beauty of actually free democracies. We will do as we say.
To boot, with the onslaught of the internet and modern media we can empathically reach outside our own borders. We can and will unite. And fuck those who seeks to divide us for personal profit and power.

 

[Young Grasshopper]

Lol its not western propaganda dude. If you want to be part of NATO you gotta walk and talk like the duck. It is what it is, and Ukraine did not, deeply corrupt and subject to influence from a lot of not-democratic-aligned entities.
Also you talk about NATO as some sovereign entity. Its not. If we the people wants Ukraine in the flock, our politicians WILL get in fucking line and say "yes sir" "thank you sir" "will do sir".
Thats the beauty of actually free democracies. We will do as we say.
To boot, with the onslaught of the internet and modern media we can empathically reach outside our own borders. We can and will unite. And fuck those who seeks to divide us for personal profit and power.

You must live in a world where politicians actually do what they say they will do, instead of just saying whatever will get them elected. Must be nice.

Well if the people want Ukraine in NATO, feel free to start your own revolution to make that happen because these same politicians you glowingly talk about have been rejecting Ukraine for years.

Maybe when you get older, you’ll understand politicians most of the time do the opposite of what people want, and instead do whatever their donors tell them to do.


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[kage69]

I think that detail in the NYT story is probably wrong. There are pics and video of the Ukrainians using their 2S22 Bohdana from shore to work over Snake Island. They might have barged it into the Danube delta only about 35km from the island, well within range of base bleed and RAP projectiles for a 52 caliber gun.

Definitely possible, they're so valuable and there's no scooting on a barge, smacks of a last ditch tactic to me which is hard to reconcile with Ukrainian progress. Still, NYT is reputable, would be nice to see come clarification. I don't see how simple relocation would "surprise" the French honestly. 35km from closest point, yes, but I believe it was more like 50km from where they had the guns. Marshland and coastal flooding areas wouldn't be a nice place for wheeled vehicles of that weight I'm pretty sure.

 

[Young Grasshopper]

Laughable.

I was disappointed by Obama’s lack of action regarding Crimea. Your only awareness was probably your glee at your strongman role model stealing what he wanted. I imagine you still are unsure about who shot down a plane full of civilians.

Let’s accept that Putin was provoked because of western support for Ukraine. I think that much is fair as it’s contrary to his interests of an illiberal and undemocratic world.

How do you get from Putin wanting a neo-fascist world to him being right to invade Ukraine?

The only way I can get there is if you have much the same desires as Putin. No democracy. Not many freedoms. Authoritarian strongmen controlling everything of value.

Are the faults of the west that bad? Are we so irredeemably broken that we to need to give up on the vision of a free and democratic society? Is a “benevolent” fascism better?

Democracy huh? You mean the same kind of democracy where a democratically elected president was overthrown due to a NATO backed coup in Ukraine back in 2014? The same kind of democracy where a U.S. diplomat is caught in a leaked phone call picking out who the next president of Ukraine would be? That kind of democracy?

And yeah Russia invaded Ukraine. I guess Putin saw the list of countries we have invaded(Iraq/Syria/Libya/Afghanistan/Yemen/Somalia/countless others…and probably figured he had the green light.


BTW there was a poll conducted back in 2013 where a world opinion poll was conducted asking which country they saw was the biggest threat to world peace. Can you guess which country was #1? It wasn’t Russia BTW. I’ll post a link here so you can look at the results.

And The Award For 'Greatest Threat To World Peace' Goes To ...

And The Award For 'Greatest Threat To World Peace' Goes To ...

www.huffpost.com

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[fskimospy]

Democracy huh? You mean the same kind of democracy where a democratically elected president was overthrown due to a NATO backed coup in Ukraine back in 2014? The same kind of democracy where a U.S. diplomat is caught in a leaked phone call picking out who the next president of Ukraine would be? That kind of democracy?

And yeah Russia invaded Ukraine. I guess Putin saw the list of countries we have invaded(Iraq/Syria/Libya/Afghanistan/Yemen/Somalia/countless others…and probably figured he had the green light.


BTW there was a poll conducted back in 2013 where a world opinion poll was conducted asking which country they saw was the biggest threat to world peace. Can you guess which country was #1? It wasn’t Russia BTW. I’ll post a link here so you can look at the results.

And The Award For 'Greatest Threat To World Peace' Goes To ...

And The Award For 'Greatest Threat To World Peace' Goes To ...

www.huffpost.com

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lol. Now Russia thought it was ok to invade Ukraine because the US did bad things elsewhere.

Also in case anyone wants to buy the tankie’s narrative here he’s also making up the idea that the US was somehow picking Ukraine’s next president. This is also a lie.

Tankies gonna tankie I guess.

 

[rommelrommel]

Democracy huh? You mean the same kind of democracy where a democratically elected president was overthrown due to a NATO backed coup in Ukraine back in 2014? The same kind of democracy where a U.S. diplomat is caught in a leaked phone call picking out who the next president of Ukraine would be? That kind of democracy?

And yeah Russia invaded Ukraine. I guess Putin saw the list of countries we have invaded(Iraq/Syria/Libya/Afghanistan/Yemen/Somalia/countless others…and probably figured he had the green light.


BTW there was a poll conducted back in 2013 where a world opinion poll was conducted asking which country they saw was the biggest threat to world peace. Can you guess which country was #1? It wasn’t Russia BTW. I’ll post a link here so you can look at the results.

And The Award For 'Greatest Threat To World Peace' Goes To ...

And The Award For 'Greatest Threat To World Peace' Goes To ...

www.huffpost.com

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2014 wasn’t a coup lol. Nor did a diplomat decide who the leader of Ukraine would be.

Nor is a bunch of poorly constructed whataboutism convincing. The US does bad stuff, yeah. What parts of those countries did the US annex anyways? My memory is a bit spotty I guess.

But as usual, you beg the question.

Why you prefer the Russian style of autocracy, authoritarianism and sham elections to western democracies?

 

[cytg111]

You must live in a world where politicians actually do what they say they will do, instead of just saying whatever will get them elected. Must be nice.

Well if the people want Ukraine in NATO, feel free to start your own revolution to make that happen because these same politicians you glowingly talk about have been rejecting Ukraine for years.

Maybe when you get older, you’ll understand politicians most of the time do the opposite of what people want, and instead do whatever their donors tell them to do.


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They do. Most of the time, no system is perfect cause its made by man and man is fallible, but by and large, yea, otherwise its gtfo election day. You can actually force an election outside of term here, all that needs to happen is that one or two of the supporting parties revoke their trust -> and election it is.
So there is a short turnaround from a politician fucking up and facing consequences from the votes. The US is bigger, I get that. Larger machinery longer turnaround. It is what it is.
Seriously though. Citizens United. First stop, Citizens United.

 

[zinfamous]

there's this weird buzzing noise in this thread again.

 

[Indus]

Free Polish iteration of PB&J with a catch

 

[KMFJD]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1596700340841115650

i wonder how many lives have been lost trying to take this strategically insignificant town?

 

[KMFJD]

AFU recon mission

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

True? Not True?


Iranian drone advisers who were helping Russia bombard Ukraine were killed in Crimea, Kyiv official says

Business Insider|6 minutes ago
Ukraine's top security official confirmed Israeli reports that Iranian advisers helping Russians operate Shahed 'suicide' drones were killed in Crimea.



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[KMFJD]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1596557557342294016

funny if true