cytg111
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Well in theory this is an attack on German soil. Is it not?
Well in theory this is an attack on German soil. Is it not?
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zinfamous
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Number1
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Simple russian heat seeking missile destroying a multimillion $ russian cruise missile.
Belarus clowns thinking of joining the war.
Igla Man-Portable Air Defense Missile System | Military-Today.com
The Igla is a Man-Portable Air Defense System (MANPADS) developed by Soviet Union in the 1970s. It succeeded the older Strela series with better range and seeker sensitivity.
www.military-today.com
Belarus clowns thinking of joining the war.
KMFJD
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harshly worded letter and some helmets in 30 days?
(JK)
cytg111
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Again, Belarus dont have nukes and Moscow INSISTS that Belarus is a sovereign independent entity.
So.
One step on Ukraine soil and NATO should just roll over it, declare game over so not insert coin.
Putin keeps postering and postering… How about a show of force?
Number1
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Balarus joining the fight is not like China joining the Korean war. But it would tie up UA resources. Belarus is in the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO). and therefor under the Russian nuclear shield.
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Smart people are looking at the situation and have dominated the battlefield so far. Belarus is asking for an ass kiking.
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K1052
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I assume Zelensky asked Macron for the SAMP-T surface to air system.
Ukrainians are training on the SPADA 2000 in Spain which will likely see deployment to Ukraine soon. First IRIS-T SLM complex will be oficcially delivered in a couple days and it's probably already in country. The Germans should refurb the other 50 Gepards they've got too.
Ukrainians are training on the SPADA 2000 in Spain which will likely see deployment to Ukraine soon. First IRIS-T SLM complex will be oficcially delivered in a couple days and it's probably already in country. The Germans should refurb the other 50 Gepards they've got too.
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Hopefully, NATO, the Pentagon and those who in Europe who cherish life continue to ignore the increasingly frenzied screams from armchair generals for their militaries to join this war.
We do not need to cheer a crazed descent into yet, another world war.
It's easy and I imagine, preferable, to show your support for Ukraine by urging government officials to order someone else's children and families to die.
We do not need to cheer a crazed descent into yet, another world war.
It's easy and I imagine, preferable, to show your support for Ukraine by urging government officials to order someone else's children and families to die.
K1052
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We don't need to join the war. We need to supply Ukraine with sufficient equipment and training to force a Russian capitulation in Ukraine.
Jaskalas
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We do not need to sit idly by as Russia does everything humanly possible to commit a genocidal invasion on European soil.
Russia and Belarus are not the world. And swatting genocidal invaders is our duty. Bringing this to an end is our duty.
We have the power to stop this. We must stop this.
The blood Russia claims, it demands war.
Hard to say, hitting a consulate is typically not the same as hitting an embassy.
Pretty sure it was specifically targeted. Germany is considered to be the weakest* member in NATO. Looks like a pick at the edges and set precedence plan.
*weakest as in inability to project or use the military force it has on paper.
A consulate is not necessarily an embassy. It may not be German soil.
If it was German soil, well, its up to the Germans now if we all go to war.
Generally speaking embassies are not actually considered the territory of that country.
For everyone watching in horror, Putin's temper tantrum is a "good" thing for Ukraine war effort.
These are very expensive missiles he is firing. Irreplaceable missiles. Targeting non-military targets.
A S300 sent into an apartment building is a S300 that will not be shooting down a Ukrainian aircraft.
A Kalibr sent into a park is a Kalibr that will not be sent into a Ukrainian logistics hub.
Targeting civilians like this does not work. In the blitz on London, UK war production skyrocketed. Allied bombing of Dresden increased German war production.
This will harden Ukrainian resolve like nothing else. On a mass scale far better then pictures on the TV ever will.
Across the world Russia has tried to portray itself as the victim, the good guy, etc. That is over now, even in Russia. Even as they celebrate in Russia they have no way to deny the monster they have become.
The fuhrer's temper tantrum marks the fuhrer's inability to respond in a meaningful way. For all of its flame and fire, it reveals impotence.
These are very expensive missiles he is firing. Irreplaceable missiles. Targeting non-military targets.
A S300 sent into an apartment building is a S300 that will not be shooting down a Ukrainian aircraft.
A Kalibr sent into a park is a Kalibr that will not be sent into a Ukrainian logistics hub.
Targeting civilians like this does not work. In the blitz on London, UK war production skyrocketed. Allied bombing of Dresden increased German war production.
This will harden Ukrainian resolve like nothing else. On a mass scale far better then pictures on the TV ever will.
Across the world Russia has tried to portray itself as the victim, the good guy, etc. That is over now, even in Russia. Even as they celebrate in Russia they have no way to deny the monster they have become.
The fuhrer's temper tantrum marks the fuhrer's inability to respond in a meaningful way. For all of its flame and fire, it reveals impotence.
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Amen.
Thankfully there are some politicians out there seeking peace:
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Who is “we”? Because there is injustice all over the world, and I don’t want my countries dragged all over and expected to be the police.
Ukraine knew this retaliation was coming once they hit the bridge. Russia has caused more civilian death with less missiles.
What I think the USA needs to do is keep providing the weapons that Ukraine needs. And Germany needs to send the air defenses they promised, not just talk about it.
If those seeking peace are seeking capitulation, they should be derided. The only peace is for all to return to pre-Crimean invasion.
K1052
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Ukrainian intelligence states these attacks had been planned for at least a week before the bridge strike. They are a campaign to cripple Ukrainian energy and transport systems to make them suffer during the winter. This does sound like a very Russian strategy.
Were it up to me I'd given them three dozen M57 ATACMS missiles and tell them to go nuts on all military targets in Crimea, including finishing off the bridge. Send up the ships and naval magazines full of Kalibrs they're firing at apartment blocs.
As for air defense the Germans and French should ship operational systems from their own military inventories at least for the short term until the ordered systems begin to arrive in numbers. They have the appropriate medium range systems for what's needed in Ukraine.
We have always had prominent enemies of freedom:
Charles Lindbergh's unapologetic bigotry: How he became the face of the America First Committee
Lindbergh's celebrity status gave him a national platform on which to share his racist views
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Russia hit pedestrian bridge in Kiev, that has a glass bottom section:
Unlike Crimea bridge, it didn't collapse
KMFJD
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i usually enjoy Claire Daly's speeches but she's wrong here, same for Roger Waters
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