Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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cytg111

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The orbital debris though.. could it close off access to space for ever? If so, I'd rather take MAD right now.
 

kage69

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The best gestapo is dead gestapo.

They are doing good work with that drone.

Agreed.

Makes me wonder what they are using for explosives and casing. I know a lot are 3D printed, but the guys using them will drop whatever the hell they can get their hands on I bet. I'm seeing a lot of orcs walk away when they're right next to the explosion though. Wounding is better then killing when the aim is too delay and impede the enemy, sure, but maybe the typical Russian regard for injured comrades mitigates that a bit? Some of these videos make me think the frag effect isn't as pronounced as with real grenades or mortar rounds.

If only the Netherlands were to suddenly locate an old cache of those gnarly little mini grenades they used to make, the V40s. You don't get as much compB or mass as an M67, but if you're inside of 5m from det point - you're fucked. I can see small drones carrying them in pairs (BumperNuts for Yuri!), making sure every target gets at least a double tap. Give some to American volunteers with baseball experience; et voila, poor mans Mk19 haha.
 
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Leeea

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The orbital debris though.. could it close off access to space for ever? If so, I'd rather take MAD right now.
no. It would just be more expensive to access space, that is all.


The near earth satellites like starlink that skim the upper atmosphere while periodically burning fuel are very resistant to that sort of thing.
 
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zinfamous

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How about an all expense one way trip to Donetsk, for this guy:


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How is this garbage not in Leavenworth right now due to his funding and aid in treason against the United States? I just don't fucking get it. I just don't understand the tolerance for specifically unambiguous and freely-admitted crimes against the country that he took an oath to defend. Fuck this Orc.
 

zinfamous

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Actually, it was Ukraine that used a ceasefire in the past to resupply, not Russia.


Nice try at projecting though…


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nope. you're lying again.
 
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kage69

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We warned Putin, many times, and he didn't listen. And look where it got Russia.

I was hoping Xi's ears worked better if for no other reason he isn't done building the military he wants, that and China would do a lot worse under the same sanctions. The problem is his agenda is built at home on confrontation with the West, using our system to build what they want to replace it with. Xi wants to do this, plus take Taiwan, before they don't have enough young people to do it. Letting Russia go this alone increases the odds of neither country getting to end their last century on their own terms. If the Russian Fed falls apart there likely won't be any Russian military or political support for helping with Taiwan.

Personally I still think China is going to do it. Just remains to be seen how, and how much. If Russia isn't ready for the end of mud season Ukraine will out maneuver and out shoot them, with the strategy of Russian attrition resoundingly rebuked with superior firepower and morale. China will try to prevent this, to at least pressure the conflict into a stalemate.


Doesn't matter though. Either Ukraine wins, or America goes to war for real when Russia comes back soon on NATO members.
 
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The orbital debris though.. could it close off access to space for ever? If so, I'd rather take MAD right now.


Forever? No, debris eventually falls out of orbit and burns up. But certain zones would be turned into complete shitshows for years were satellites to start blowing up all over the place. Russia should remind itself of Wagner's use of Chinese sat intel, maybe recall that we can take out satellites from boats.
 

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Comparing and confusing invasion/occupational wars with homeland defense wars is a new level of fucking stupid for you. No one is trying to, much less proposing the invasion of Russia or China. Only Ukraine's right to defend it's sovereign homeland from a Russian invasion and occupation. Russia is the one attempting an "Afghanistan" style invasion/occupation here (One they failed at worse than the US, BTW.), not Ukraine and the western countries helping it defend itself from the Russian invasion and occupation.

The pure unthinking irony of your post is utterly astounding and shows a complete and total lack of critical thought. To unwittingly be exactly 180 degrees wrong and actually make a case for why Russia's war is unwinnable is about the best self pwnage I've seen here.

Seriously. Turn your brain back on. The Tucker rot is metastasizing.


Was Iraq a 'homeland' defense war? How about Syria? How about Libya? Or Somalia? Why did we stay in Afghanistan 10 years after OBL was killed? What exactly have these countries done to us? 'Homeland defense war' sounds like a slogan created by warharks @ the Pentagon. Am I talking to Lindsey Graham here? If you want to go ahead and fall for that 'to protect America, you must invade countries first' CIA propaganda, that's fine. Although I do find it interesting other countries are able to protect their homeland without launching invasions/coups/sanctions/destabilization/psyops like our country does.

Besides, the point I was trying to make was we lost a 20 year war against illiterate goat herders, but somehow we're supposed to win a war against Russia + China? You're delusional if you think that. If China steps in and provides help, its game over.
 

Indus

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If China steps in and provides help, its game over.

Game over man! game over for China and you!

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China that hasn't been able to be able to take Taiwan for 70+ years is somehow magically going to destroy Ukraine and NATO and the US and Japan and Korea and Taiwan and Philippines and Australia and India??

You really sound like an idiot devoid of logic throwing shit at the wall and hoping something sticks!
 
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hal2kilo

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This is true though at the relatively low costs we're talking about in terms of US defense spending the Pentagon is surely adding some zeros to what they consider acceptable stocks of these munitions for the long term now. Running out is much worse than making it and not needing it.
You must not be aware of the addiction to just in time delivery now demanded by all intelligent capitalist enterprises.
 

Fenixgoon

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You must not be aware of the addiction to just in time delivery now demanded by all intelligent capitalist enterprises.
A recent article about artillery production said the military is looking for longer term contacts to ensure a consistent pipeline of products. I imagine the same will be true for other munitions as well
 

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Was Iraq a 'homeland' defense war? How about Syria? How about Libya? Or Somalia? Why did we stay in Afghanistan 10 years after OBL was killed? What exactly have these countries done to us? 'Homeland defense war' sounds like a slogan created by warharks @ the Pentagon. Am I talking to Lindsey Graham here? If you want to go ahead and fall for that 'to protect America, you must invade countries first' CIA propaganda, that's fine. Although I do find it interesting other countries are able to protect their homeland without launching invasions/coups/sanctions/destabilization/psyops like our country does.

Besides, the point I was trying to make was we lost a 20 year war against illiterate goat herders, but somehow we're supposed to win a war against Russia + China? You're delusional if you think that. If China steps in and provides help, its game over.
Russia is currently losing a war against what amounts to a NATO JV team armed with outdated versions of our weapons.

A conventional war between Russia and the US would have been over long ago with the Russian army entirely six feet underground.
 
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Russia is currently losing a war against what amounts to a NATO JV team armed with outdated versions of our weapons.

A conventional war between Russia and the US would have been over long ago with the Russian army entirely six feet underground.

Assuming it stayed conventional, yes. You're looking at anywhere from several days (with some advance warning) to maybe a month without any prior warning.
 

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Assuming it stayed conventional, yes. You're looking at anywhere from several days (with some advance warning) to maybe a month without any prior warning.
Agree. It’s weird that after this pathetic performance @Young Grasshopper thinks the US military has anything to fear from Russia conventionally.

Frankly, the biggest flaw in the US military as it relates to Russia is we vastly overestimated their military. It turns out to be a joke.
 

Young Grasshopper

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Game over man! game over for China and you!

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China that hasn't been able to be able to take Taiwan for 70+ years is somehow magically going to destroy Ukraine and NATO and the US and Japan and Korea and Taiwan and Philippines and Australia and India??

You really sound like an idiot devoid of logic throwing shit at the wall and hoping something sticks!

China hasn’t been able to take Taiwan in70 years? Remind me again how many times China invaded Taiwan, only to be pushed back by Taiwan? Oh yeah, 0 times. Let’s not make stuff up bud.


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China hasn’t been able to take Taiwan in70 years? Remind me again how many times China invaded Taiwan, only to be pushed back by Taiwan? Oh yeah, 0 times. Let’s not make stuff up bud.


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If they hadn't considered the price too high, they'd have already invaded and taken Taiwan. They haven't felt able to, so, yeah, "China hasn’t been able to take Taiwan in 70 years."
 
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