I was going to say you really should stop clicking on the clickbait ads.If Javelins can kill any tank (including M1 Abrams), then will this be the next gen MBT?
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Good lord no. Iran had trouble with a demented Iraq, with whom the latter was being supplied by the west. Their engagements were mostly tit for tat, with Iraq having the upper hand most times due to knowing the lay of their land. Iran would crumble in the face of an actual force like Israel who have experience in war and engagements. This is why Russia is failing so bad. Their modern wars have been against Afghan rebels, Chechens and their own counterparts in the early 90s and in 2008. Russia would get their asses whooped if they went against an actual NATO army. They're regularly getting beaten back by Ukrainians who've gone under NATO inspired training (correct me if I'm wrong). The Russians seem to be used the same playbook they've had for decades going back however long.
Israel's airforce alone would cripple all of Iran in a 72 hour air campaign. All Iran can do is muster up threatening words. They can't afford a war right now. Even if they could financially, they don't have the expertise or ability to win a war against a properly trained military force. Israel doesn't even have to send in foot soldiers to get Iran to surrender. Frankly we should use Israel to force a regime change in Iran.
Not sure what kind of weapons Israel uses for long distance take downs, but heck they might not even need to get close to Iran's borders to destroy them into nothingness.
MtnMan
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I really hate to think what would have happened if Trump was in office when Putin invaded... as even on January 30, 2023, this fucking shitbag traitor is still romancing Putin.
Jaskalas
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The biggest threat to Europe isn't Vlad the Butcher attacking them from the front.
It's Russian Republicans stabbing them in the back.
cytg111
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Quote from NotTruth sm platform:
"Remember in Helsinki when a 3rd rate reporter asked me, essentially, who I trusted more, President Putin of Russia, or our 'Intelligence' lowlifes," Trump said in the Truth Social post.
"My instinct at the time was that we had really bad people in the form of James Comey, McCabe (whose wife was being helped out by Crooked Hillary while Crooked was under investigation!), Brennan, Peter Strzok (whose wife is at the SEC) & his lover, Lisa Page.
"Now add McGonigal & other slime to the list. Who would you choose, Putin or these Misfits?"
How interesting it is to notice how Trump's words seem even more worthless and empty now that he has lost the authority and prestige that his former job gave him. I'm betting the sass and luster he once scammed his followers with is getting tarnished a lot quicker than DeSantis is trying his best to.
He's a has-been loser in life and his ego can't let go of that fact, so off he goes with the bluster and the non-stop lies to protect those many insecurities he's managed to develop over his lifetime of trying to be someone he could never be.
Ukraine war: Western allies send Kyiv mixed messages on war planes
The US rules out sending jets to Ukraine, but France says "nothing is excluded" ahead of talks in Paris.
www.bbc.com
"Ukraine war: Joe Biden rules out sending F-16 fighter jets"
Translation: Ukraine getting F-16s in two three months.
On that score it's odd how inconsistent the contemporary Tory Party is. On the one hand, Boris Johnson is _still_ trying to cosplay as Churchill, flying off to Ukraine even now he's no longer PM, and, more usefully, there are those Challenger 2 tanks...yet on the other this sort of thing keeps happening...
Labour asks why Treasury unit let oligarch under sanctions bring libel case
Key Putin ally who founded Wagner mercenaries attempted to ‘subvert sanctions and silence journalist’
K1052
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Ukraine war: Western allies send Kyiv mixed messages on war planes
The US rules out sending jets to Ukraine, but France says "nothing is excluded" ahead of talks in Paris.www.bbc.com
"Ukraine war: Joe Biden rules out sending F-16 fighter jets"
Translation: Ukraine getting F-16s in two three months.
If F-16s go to Ukraine they'll likely be from European donors, not the US. They may be short of available tanks and IFVs but there is a lot of available air power.
K1052
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I don't think it's that so much as just geography - the countries are a long way apart.
Iran is a vastly larger country than Israel. If Israel tried to invade Iran as Iraq did, I doubt it would go well for Israel (not that that is at likely, but just saying neither country is clearly militarily superior across all contexts, it depends on the nature of the conflict, and given geography I don't see what direct conflict they could have - all I can envision is Iran sponsoring local terror attacks on/in Israel, and Israel doing covert stuff in Iran).
Israel has been making friends with various arab countries who don't like Iran. These countries would prefer Iran to lose whatever semblance of power they have in the region for the middle east. Israel doesn't need to send in foot soldiers. They have the tech to lob missiles from home and wait for Iran's infrastructure to crumble into nothing. Think of Israel as an extension of the us and uk, and not some little country.
K1052
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Main possibilities are GLSDB which might take months to field, GMLRS-ER which have started to be produced, or possibly ATACMS.
Air launched stuff less likely unless they've found a way to hang some more of it off Mig-29s and Su-25s.
Air launched stuff less likely unless they've found a way to hang some more of it off Mig-29s and Su-25s.
K1052
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General Atomics wants to give Ukraine two MQ-9As with included ground station and training.
K1052
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Sounds like yes to GLSDB and no still to ATACMS.
We'll see how quickly Boeing/Saab can supply. This is likely the only notice Russia will get that these weapons are coming until a lot of stuff starts exploding beyond GMLRS range.
We'll see how quickly Boeing/Saab can supply. This is likely the only notice Russia will get that these weapons are coming until a lot of stuff starts exploding beyond GMLRS range.
Brovane
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The US needs to quietly give ATACMS to the Ukrainians and not talk about. The Russians have been keeping their logistic hubs and other equipment just outside the current range with the HIMARS system. The US should give Ukraine a stockpile of ATACMS and then in one overnight time-frame have Ukraine do a sudden strike against the all the Russian targets in Ukraine that they thought were safe. Even knock out the Kerch bridge. That would put a monkey wrench into their planned offensive.
K1052
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I agree. This war should come to a close sooner rather than later and making it nearly impossible for Russia to stay in Ukraine is the only likely way that happens.
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The Poles have F-16s.Ukraine war: Western allies send Kyiv mixed messages on war planes
The US rules out sending jets to Ukraine, but France says "nothing is excluded" ahead of talks in Paris.www.bbc.com
"Ukraine war: Joe Biden rules out sending F-16 fighter jets"
Translation: Ukraine getting F-16s in two three months.
Even if they are pressured/prevented from transferring them to Uk, who wants to bet they're not already training Uk pilots on them?
The Poles.
They hate Russia.
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Sunni vs Shia. Also Persian vs Arab. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
That is not how the world works, but yes that attitude does persist in some places.
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That's a gross over simplification of the issue. Iran has good relations with some Sunni nations/Arab countries. This has more to do with those countries friending Israel getting tired of Iran's antics. When KSA is coming out with a secret friendship with Israel under heavy police tape you know Iran's the major baddie there. If you recall from history books or if you were alive at the time, Faisel hated Jews big time. His own hatred fueled the fuel crisis because a few western nations decided to arm Israel during the YKW. During the reign of the last king if Iran, Iran was very much a regional power. Given its still current vast resources having been untapped and unadultered due to heavy sanctions for over 40 years they still amage to do that in a way through their unique steps to side step sanctions. This makes Iran a major threat to the nations befriending Israel while their people hate such steps.
I don't see this ever happening. It's been discussed before. Gov isn't going to approve such a deal if there's even a remote chance RU will get their hands on it, intact or destroyed. I could see a stripped version exported, with most if not all equipment removed and replaced with off the shelf hardware limiting its performance but still being viable to be used. Sadly I see this war lasting through much if not all of this year hopefully concluding with a uk win by mid 2024 and hopefully an assisted suicide of Putin.
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