Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Jaskalas

Lifer
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They are going to weaken the US dollar and push Russia further East. Another brilliant foreign strategy on display.

Russia and "the east" should be wholly divested from us. Why would we want to fund belligerents aiming to murder us?
 

UNCjigga

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Is not operational. It was decomitioned 20 years ago. Dont listen to the ramblings of a fool

It just so happens that a 1000 square mile exclusion zone is also a good place to store nuclear waste from active reactors elsewhere in Ukraine. No NIMBY problems.
 

NWRMidnight

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I'm sorry that you are mad that not everyone is a Putin follower like you and the rest of the Liberals.
What fucking multiverse are you from? Because it sure as hell isn't this one. Please, find the crack that brought you here, trip back into it, so you can be back home where you might make an ounce of rational sense. Otherwise you are, and always will be, a fucked in the head, lying, piece of shit walking our earth.
 

sportage

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Meanwhile, deplorable traitors haven’t changed a bit since Trump lost:


I guess Putin invading a sovereign democracy is ok because he’s doing it with “Christ’s blessing??”

That rumbling going on underground is not an earthquake, it is every past deceased US president turning over in their grave.
I think we as Americans have grossly underestimated how throughly the Russian operatives have infected America politics and so many of the American people. And... Fox News.
I had to remind my Q sister that the Ukraine people seek a democracy, and not to be owned by a dictator. Yet, she and the Q's are all in for Putin because.... the Jews in Ukraine are fleeing back to Israel. The homeland. Which is a good thing? So go figure, Putin responsible for reuniting Jews with Israel. That is one reason the Q's praise Putin, as screwed up as that sounds.

And I asked my Qister what if England decided they wanted the United States back, would you agree with that? No answer.
 

RnR_au

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Is that before or after such a country is a smoldering husk of ruin?
Seems our response time is glacial, and may be counted in months if not years.
At the same time, the deeper Russian assets goes into Ukraine, the more difficult it will be to pull them out if 1 or more Nato countries decides to help Ukraine.
 

AtenRa

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NATOs expansion is a result of Russian aggression time and time again. NATOs expansion doesn’t involve genocide, war crimes, or taking over sovereign countries. That’s the difference.

Russia isn’t going to like the outcome of this. They will some day soon have NATO bases and troops on their borders directly.

Ehm simple no, eastern European countries joined NATO after the collapse of USSR not because Russian aggression.

Saying this, im not legitimize what Putin does today in Ukraine and with all Europeans Im stating that this behavior is simple unacceptable. Putin and unfortunately all Russians will suffer the consequences of their actions with severe economic sanctions from EU, US, Canada, Japan, Korea etc.

LIVE NOW: press conference following the special #EUCO on the situation in Ukraine
 
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fskimospy

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At the same time, the deeper Russian assets goes into Ukraine, the more difficult it will be to pull them out if 1 or more Nato countries decides to help Ukraine.
NATO is not going to help Ukraine. If they were it would have been made obvious a long time before this.

That being said, Russia’s difficulties so far show how badly NATO would crush Russia if it came to that.
 

sandorski

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Older people here, can you give a history lesson? Like were republicans this pro Russia during the Cold War. Or only recently because they are following their orange leader and how much he butt kisses Putin?

Russia exudes certain Christian values they admire. Like a hatred for all things LGBTQ amongst other detestable, yet desirable to them, positions about Others.
 
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AtenRa

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Did you ever ask yourself why Russia’s neighbors want to join NATO and the US’s neighbors don’t want to ally with Russia?

Maybe use your exceptional reasoning abilities and tell us that one. Lol.

Poland joined NATO in 1999, at the time there was no threat from Russia
Hungary joined NATO in 1999, at the time there was no threat from Russia

Bulgaria joined NATO in 2004, at the time there was no threat from Russia
Estonia joined NATO in 2004, at the time there was no threat from Russia
Latvia joined NATO in 2004, at the time there was no threat from Russia
Lithuania joined NATO in 2004, at the time there was no threat from Russia
Romania joined NATO in 2004, at the time there was no threat from Russia
Slovakia joined NATO in 2004, at the time there was no threat from Russia

They sure had reasons to join NATO because of the past, but the situation in 1999/2004 was way different than today.
As I have said before, Russia will never allow Ukraine to join NATO, either we like it or not that is a fact.
And as Ihave said before , that is not legitimize by my part the invasion of Ukraine today, im just pointing out the facts.
 
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sportage

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With the pro Putin reactions from soooooooooooooooo so many republicans, it is now more than obvious of what the republicans had indeed intended to do on January 6th. A full blown government overthrow with turning America into a dictatorship. This was the intention and thus why they now support Putin. And this was also the intentions and desires of Donald Trump himself, a full blown coup.

Interesting, how what they do and not what they say has exposed the true intention. While Putin invades over there in Ukraine, over here in America we should be witnessing mass arrest of every republican who supported Trump in his attempt to overthrow our government. And Fox News should be shut down as would any communist organization plotting the overthrow the US government.
WHY this is not happening right now, over here, is beyond comprehension.
 

rommelrommel

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Poland joined NATO in 1999, at the time there was no thread from Russia
Hungary joined NATO in 1999, at the time there was no thread from Russia

Bulgaria joined NATO in 2004, at the time there was no thread from Russia
Estonia joined NATO in 2004, at the time there was no thread from Russia
Latvia joined NATO in 2004, at the time there was no thread from Russia
Lithuania joined NATO in 2004, at the time there was no thread from Russia
Romania joined NATO in 2004, at the time there was no thread from Russia
Slovakia joined NATO in 2004, at the time there was no thread from Russia

They sure had reasons to join NATO because of the past, but the situation in 1999/2004 was way different than today.
As I have said before, Russia will never allow Ukraine to join NATO, either we like it or not that is a fact.
And as Ihave said before , that is not legitimize by my part the invasion of Ukraine today, im just pointing out the facts.

"No thread" (sic) lol.

Russia has been fucking around in the affairs of former territories since the USSR collapsed.
 
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AtenRa

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"No thread" (sic) lol.

ehehe fixed that thx

Russia has been fucking around in the affairs of former territories since the USSR collapsed.

ehm ok but that is not the same as the other poster was suggesting. It is another thing to fuck around in the affairs of other countries (which other countries does as well and not only Russia) and another thing to have a legitimate threat concern to make you join NATO.
Im not saying they didnt do well to join NATO, but I have my doubts that at the time all those countries joined NATO they had a legitimate threat concern from Russia. At the time Russia was a mess politically, economically and militarily and posed no actual threat to those Countries.
But joining NATO was and still is the only way to guaranty their safety against not only Russia but any other threat and it was their choice to make.
 
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RnR_au

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NATO is not going to help Ukraine. If they were it would have been made obvious a long time before this.
I agree that NATO is not going to help, but a nation can act by themselves outside of NATO. If a nation has the capacity to take out armour without boots on the ground and they think that helping to defeat Russia in Ukraine will help themselves medium-long term, then why not?
 
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sportage

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CNN: As war breaks out in Europe, China blames the US

I guess the lines in the sand are being drawn. Sides are being chosen. If this should turn into a WWIII, China plus Russia vs The US of A, that would not be good. We're gonna need a bigger bomb.

So apparently, Putin now has the sympathies of China. Which could give Putin the illusion that he can go beyond Ukraine and into those NATO countries that border Ukraine.

This is the kind of stuff that leads to "world war". One of those things that get out of hand on its own and no one can stop the inevitable. Imagine the possibilities? One bad decision on Putin's part, a decision of greed could plunge the world into war.
FUCK TRUMP! Thanks republicans. Thanks Fox News. A divided nation can not possibly survive a world war. No possible way.
 
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biostud

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What has surprised me so far is the poor all-around performance of the RU forces. Yes, the UA air force is nearing ineffectiveness, AD has been hit hard but the RU prep fires (MLRS/tube artillery) has not been near as extensive as I would have expected to support a ground invasion. And especially night fighting capabilities are poor. Most fighting is being done during daylight hours which helps level the field as UA are generally fighting from prepared defensive positions giving them a strength multiplier.

Compare to US, we live in the night and see dark as a significant combat multiplier.

We do know that RU committed forces so far is somewhere between 30-60k perhaps a bit more. Which raises the question on why they are not using more in the initial attack. One always wants a reserve, but with 150-200k around UA, the low number currently committed seems very odd even with limited objectives - not full occupation.

Maybe they want to limit damages?

I don't think that this invasion is specially popular on Russia, no matter what the official media says.

So in this case I actually think there has to be a balance between military strategy and civilian costs.
 

cytg111

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I dont even understand why it matters they are not NATO member yet.

Bla bla bla, yea we all know the well known established talkingpoints, so lets skip those.

Ukraine is as geopolitical as it gets. The idea of free nations vs. Mafia regimes. In our backyard.

Surely everyone agrees that Putin has to be stopped... at some point... somehow...

Why wait?

Also, what other country is gonna adopt our ideas of freedom and democracy, if we're just gonna stand and watch when the next mob boss rolls around and rolls em over?
 

biostud

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I think it is pretty obvious that both Russia and China don’t want functional democracies next to them, that might threaten their “system”. While China is fully in control, Putin does not hold the same power as China does, or rather he has to use military to get his way.

At some point 2000-2008 Russia was actually moving towards Europe and a functional democracy, but from then and especially 2014 it just went downhill towards dictatorship.

So while I in no way think Putin is right, I think his motivation is to create a new eastern block of pro Russia puppet dictators, that can hold the democracy and NATO away from Russia.

And while Apples and Oranges I think we all can agree that the military campaigns we in the West have done in the Middle East and Nothern Africa the last 30 years is not exactly examples to follow, when we are talking humane and “legal” wars.

Also an example from another time, the Cuba crisis. If you understand why US didn’t want nuclear missiles on Cuba, then you can also understand why Russia don’t want NATO troops too close to their borders. (And this only applies because Putin is a dictator that doesn’t want democracy and our values, destabilizing his power)
 

cytg111

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Also an example from another time, the Cuba crisis. If you understand why US didn’t want nuclear missiles on Cuba, then you can also understand why Russia don’t want NATO troops too close to their borders.

One hundred percent.

In a boxing match I can fully emphasize with my opponents need to be victorious in this game of brutes we are currently engaged in.
So. Roll over and let him win?

Point being of course, this IS a zero sum game. There can only be one winner at the end of this game, and either its gonna be some iteration of representative democracies OR some iteration of mafia regimes and dictatorships.

So you wanna get fucking or get fucked.
 

cytg111

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Why did your country (Germany) refuse to apply stricter sanctions against Russia?


Those sanctions would really hurt Putin and Russia and could possibly end this invasion earlier. So why did you Germans not support stronger sanctions to stop this invasion?

One bullet.
A semi automatic.
Bullet in chamber, pull the hammer.
Spin the gun on a table.
Pick it up.
Show us what you're made of bitchboy.
 

zinfamous

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Considering the fog of war, do any of us really know who's actually #winning so far? I'd like to think that Ukraine is inflicting some pain on the invaders, but how much of that is wishful thinking?


The NYT has covered SWIFT a few times this past month. In short, Europe isn't interested partly because it'll make it nearly impossible for them to purchase fossil fuels from Russia. I have no idea if the pipelines through Ukraine will continue to flow, but nobody is really prepared for them to stop. One of the articles talked about how Russia can funnel money through China. Today's article mentioned that Russia has its own electronic banking clearing system that would be pushed into use.

As others have alluded to in this thread, we should seize assets in the West of the oligarchs. Paul Krugman wrote about it today, an astounding amount of wealth they've basically laundered out of Russia and it's all hiding in plain sight.

yeah, I was wondering the other day what is preventing countries from seizing the yachts and palaces of these shithole oligarchs that they keep parked outside of Russia.

Putin's got some 2 dozen or so palaces and castles and penthouses scattered about the world. I don't know why none of them have burned down yet.
 
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zinfamous

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Paul krugman's article:

On NBC nightly news tonight they said "trillions." I did a double take, "did I just hear trillions or was it maybe billions? I backed up 10 seconds... it WAS TRILLIONS! They said that while showing head shots of 3 of those oligarchs. We can freeze that money.

yeah, I think it's a poorly-kept secret that Putin is the wealthiest person in the world. Unofficially, of course, because it's difficult to track all of his wealth and property. He and his cronies bury all of this under various names and organizations, or even under the umbrella of "Russian sovereign property," but it's really just Putin's.
 
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ch33zw1z

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Wow. That lady is scum. So, because Russia is a Christian nation they can declare war, and can kill people?

This lady is SCUM. Its never OK to harm people.

What dank said above. Remember, R's vote for violence. It's part of their ideals.
 
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