Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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K1052

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No surprise at all. I said in this thread going on a year ago China will be supplying Russia when people were saying Russia is going to run out of stuff. China might not be supplying actual assembled items but components and materials you can bet your ass they are to some degree. There's not much else but upside for China to do so because in the end nobody is going to do anything about it other than blow smoke and hoot and holler.
Russia has in some areas run out of stuff or what they can get from China is of inferior quality to the European imports they have to replace. "Modern" Russian military equipment was chocked full of French, British, German equipment while they pretended to make it all themselves. This is why they've largely had to revert to reconditioning/building older and simpler designs to replenish losses. Cutting corners wherever they can.

Worse yet for Russia they are now beholden to Chinese goodwill (which I think everybody knows doesn't come free) instead of a largely uncomplicated trade relationship with the west.
 
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kage69

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Seems like a waste when Ukraine has GMLRS.

A GMLRS only costs $40k, and is a lot harder to stop then an large RC car which has its own costs.

Nahh. IEDs typically have a pretty good cost to damage ratio. A trunk full of old Russian mines, some block charges, all lovingly topped with det cord? Couple thou. Chechens making do is what they do. In the 90s those guys had no help whatsoever, were floating civilian RPG teams across rivers in cheap innertubes so they could blow up Russians. I bet that smarter martyr mobile would be good for at least a couple Yuris, maybe a lot.

I think you are thinking of GLSDBs, which are $40k a shot. GMLRS is about $225k per, depending on the version and contract. It isn't an all aspect attack weapon like GLSDBs, but it does travel faster and with a bigger warhead, also is very hard to intercept.
 
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Seem to be getting asymptotically closer to the delivery of Leopards. Poland has formally asked Germany to allow it, and the German Greens are in favour, it's only the SPD itself that is still hesitating.

(How did it come about, that the SPD has ended up so emeshed with Putin's Russia?)
 

Pens1566

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I can't imagine anything other than those or a-10's, we don't really have a lot else they could support at this point right?
A-10 has never been exported. I know it's a different situation now, but would seem to be easier to do F-16 given there might be other sources of support for them that are also closer geographically.
 

K1052

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Not sure how useful A-10's would be in contested airspace like this.
Their Su-25s are still in the fight running low altitude air support. Also if you wanted to haul a whole lot of say JDAM-ER or standoff range munitions to altitude but need US rails to do it the A-10 likely makes an excellent truck for that.
 
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fskimospy

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Their Su-25s are still in the fight running low altitude air support. Also if you wanted to haul a whole lot of say JDAM-ER or standoff range munitions to altitude but need US rails to do it the A-10 likely makes an excellent truck for that.
I'm sure they would be of SOME use but if memory serves the SU-25 has suffered pretty appalling losses in this war. I know it's not as capable as the A-10 but it's a similar type of aircraft.
 

K1052

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I'm sure they would be of SOME use but if memory serves the SU-25 has suffered pretty appalling losses in this war. I know it's not as capable as the A-10 but it's a similar type of aircraft.
I'd say the role is similar but not the aircraft or munitions that the US has access too. I think bomb truck is going to be a more likely use than CAS though. One A-10 can haul sixteen SDBs to optimal release altitude for maximum range (aprox 80km).
 
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Leeea

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I'd say the role is similar but not the aircraft or munitions that the US has access too. I think bomb truck is going to be a more likely use than CAS though. One A-10 can haul sixteen SDBs to optimal release altitude for maximum range (aprox 80km).
I would be worried getting that high over Ukraine is a good way to have a S400 sent its way.
 

uclaLabrat

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Their Su-25s are still in the fight running low altitude air support. Also if you wanted to haul a whole lot of say JDAM-ER or standoff range munitions to altitude but need US rails to do it the A-10 likely makes an excellent truck for that.
They're great for spotting AA emplacements.
 

K1052

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I feel like we should send M1s to Ukraine just to force Germany's hand. Like, they can sit in a warehouse in Lviv or whatever if Ukraine can't use them. We have plenty.
Just drive them around a bit for the cameras to make the Germans feel better.

Though I do suspect Ukraine's tank repair aptitude is a lot higher than most countries we export M1s to. With Poland in the midst of adopting them it shouldn't be too terribly hard to stand up the required infrastructure for heavier repairs.
 
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