Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Artorias

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Do you have any thoughts about the multiple Russian captives that say they didn’t know they were attacking Ukraine? To me that’s hard to believe in the sense that you can’t have a comprehensive battle plan without your soldiers at least knowing the basic idea.

Two scenarios I think, either the troops are lying to avoid harsh treatment, or Putin is sending in cannon fodder to soften the enemy first.
 

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What has surprised me so far is the poor all-around performance of the RU forces. Yes, the UA air force is nearing ineffectiveness, AD has been hit hard but the RU prep fires (MLRS/tube artillery) has not been near as extensive as I would have expected to support a ground invasion. And especially night fighting capabilities are poor. Most fighting is being done during daylight hours which helps level the field as UA are generally fighting from prepared defensive positions giving them a strength multiplier.

Compare to US, we live in the night and see dark as a significant combat multiplier.

We do know that RU committed forces so far is somewhere between 30-60k perhaps a bit more. Which raises the question on why they are not using more in the initial attack. One always wants a reserve, but with 150-200k around UA, the low number currently committed seems very odd even with limited objectives - not full occupation.

Looking at their performance over the past 25 years in various conflicts, the state of their arms industry and the state of their current inventory....
It shouldn't come as a surprise that they are having trouble with a relatively weak armed force in Ukraine.

They have enough manpower to throw at the problem and come out ahead but I don't think a lot of Western countries are shaking in their boots at the thought of Russian expansion.
 
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I wonder... with the correct weather pattern, would a bombardment of Chernobyl act like a dirty bomb over Russia?
It would do far more than that, but... I think Ukraine's enemies would be the primary victims of such an event.
What the flying fuck is wrong in your brain?

The ONLY thing this will do if fuck over the common citizens of Russia! They are not fuckin Putin!
 
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Artorias

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Chernobyl is strategic because it still has a functional nuclear reactor. It can be used to cut off or redirect power.
 

pauldun170

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They may not actually be stratotankers at all. There are variants of the same frame that are used for EW and SIGINT...

I actually do hope that's the case vs sending in F-35's or F-22 to pull in data. No need to give Russians emissions data to play with just in case they pick up traces.
 

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Do you have any thoughts about the multiple Russian captives that say they didn’t know they were attacking Ukraine? To me that’s hard to believe in the sense that you can’t have a comprehensive battle plan without your soldiers at least knowing the basic idea.
my opinion from a historical perspective is that Russian enlisted are not provided any information other than the immediate task at hand. Officers do sergeants work and have had little ability to deviate from preset plans. This practice is completely at odds with Western training which delegates much initiative to lower levels, in fact insists on it and trains it.

I do find it a bit hard to believe them not knowing but can readily accept that they were told - we're taking this objective - and that is all they would know. Their officer would likely know it was Ukraine, but unless Russian training has changed dramatically, the enlisted very well may not, only being told the minimum needed.

I would defer to any Russian military training expert here if my supposition above is not current and I will look into my OSINT sources to see if I can get more.
 

raildogg

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All of this could have been avoided but due to Western bully tactics, overconfidence and just a supremacist attitude, it is not. Every country has their own interests and every country has a right to defense as they see fit. Russia cannot allow Ukraine to join NATO, period. Full stop, end of story. They cannot. They have been very, very consistent about this. Ukraine is a route of invading Russia, as history has shown. Whether NATO intends to invade Russia through Ukraine is not relevant - it is what Russia sees.

The West, especially America, cannot see anything beyond its immediate interests. It cannot acknowledge that other countries may have interests that differ from its own. Russia sees Ukraine as a major entry point to Russia due to several factors, including geography. Basically, Ukraine serves as a buffer from an ever expansionist NATO. You people may not agree with this but it does not matter. This is how Russia sees it. Remember about acknowledging other people's concerns? It will be challenging for you, no doubt.

What might happen is that all of this accelerates the weakening of the West, especially America. Actually, at this point, Russia is stronger than America financially, fiscally and is more prepared in many different ways. America's influence is only a fraction of what it was back even a few decades ago, let alone further than that. As Russia abandons the US dollar, so will others. It will happen. America's influence is only going to weaken the more it reacts in a very strange way. Russia will turn towards East and other parts of the world. They have very good relations all over the world.

The past two decades of America wasting trillions and killing millions only made it much, much weaker in every way. Now, it just cannot respond in any meaningful manner. The sanctions imposed are laughable since Russia has moved away from the Western slave system anyway. It is the Europeans who are scared and cannot do a single thing. On one side, they have America and UK always pushing for more war and on the other side, they have their own energy and other commodity needs. Russia can be a good business partner with Europe but America will not let that happen. It will always throw a wrench in whatever agreement there is. Not my opinion, history has shown this. The poor Germans are timidly walking away from Nord Stream 2 but leaving the door open. They cannot abandon their energy needs no matter what America says.
 

pauldun170

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my opinion from a historical perspective is that Russian enlisted are not provided any information other than the immediate task at hand. Officers do sergeants work and have had little ability to deviate from preset plans. This practice is completely at odds with Western training which delegates much initiative to lower levels, in fact insists on it and trains it.

I do find it a bit hard to believe them not knowing but can readily accept that they were told - we're taking this objective - and that is all they would know. Their officer would likely know it was Ukraine, but unless Russian training has changed dramatically, the enlisted very well may not, only being told the minimum needed.

I would defer to any Russian military training expert here if my supposition above is not current and I will look into my OSINT sources to see if I can get more.

Having them declare they were on a training mission works to Russian advantage as they can repackage the videos for domestic consumption that they were kidnapped by Ukrainians while out on a training mission.
 
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I actually do hope that's the case vs sending in F-35's or F-22 to pull in data. No need to give Russians emissions data to play with just in case they pick up traces.

2 each over Poland and Romania. Wonder if one is actually a Constant Phoenix just in case. There was one in Mildenhall, and both the Romania flights came from there.

There's a also a Global Hawk doing laps over the Black Sea. Watching ins and outs at Sevastopol.
 

raildogg

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What the flying fuck is wrong in your brain?

The ONLY thing this will do if fuck over the common citizens of Russia! They are not fuckin Putin!
These people cannot think clearly. War mongers and violent psychos. No wonder there is little outcry over Western imperialism that has wrecked the lives of millions around the world just in the past few decades alone. Now they want more war.

Oh yeah, I forgot ... they do violence in the name of Democracy and human rights. Just lovely.
 
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All of this could have been avoided but due to Western bully tactics, overconfidence and just a supremacist attitude, it is not. Every country has their own interests and every country has a right to defense as they see fit. Russia cannot allow Ukraine to join NATO, period. Full stop, end of story. They cannot. They have been very, very consistent about this. Ukraine is a route of invading Russia, as history has shown. Whether NATO intends to invade Russia through Ukraine is not relevant - it is what Russia sees.
The West didn't force Russia to start a war of aggression and didn't force Russia to invade Ukraine.

Maybe if Russia wasn't so aggressive towards its sovereign neighbors, they wouldn't feel compelled to join military alliances to protect themselves from unwarranted Russian aggression.
 

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They have enough manpower to throw at the problem and come out ahead but I don't think a lot of Western countries are shaking in their boots at the thought of Russian expansion.
No, the rest of the world is afraid of 4,500 nuclear warheads. And not interesting in seeing the hypersonic missiles.
 

raildogg

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The West didn't force Russia to start a war of aggression and didn't force Russia to invade Ukraine.

Maybe if Russia wasn't so aggressive towards its sovereign neighbors, they wouldn't feel compelled to join military alliances to protect themselves from unwarranted Russian aggression.
Ukraine has historically not wanted to join NATO until Western interference through many underhanded ways. It has been well documented. All this movement towards NATO did not start organically.

But regardless, Ukraine will not be allowed to join NATO. That is a clear signal from Russia. They are much more consistent about their messaging than the flaky West. The West should never have even tried to get Ukraine into NATO.
 
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dphantom

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Having them declare they were on a training mission works to Russian advantage as they can repackage the videos for domestic consumption that they were kidnapped by Ukrainians while out on a training mission.
Yeah I read through the translation so think that is their story they were told to say but what i said above I still believe is SOP for Russian enlisted.
 

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Ukraine has historically not wanted to join NATO until Western interference through many underhanded means. It has been well documented. All this movement towards NATO did not start organically.

But regardless, Ukraine will not be allowed to join NATO. That is a clear signal from Russia. They are much more consistent about their messaging than the flaky West. The West should never have even tried to get Ukraine into NATO.

You blame the west but if Russia/Putin wasn’t trying to expand it borders by force for over 20 years, maybe NATO wouldn’t need to expand/countries wouldn’t want/need to join. Russia has a history of oppressive genocidal territorial expansion by war. Unfortunately for Russia, NATO will be further expanding after this latest round of Russian stupidity.

Russia expands via savagery, NATO expands peacefully by common goals of not letting genocidal maniacs conquer Europe.
 
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All of this could have been avoided but due to Western bully tactics, overconfidence and just a supremacist attitude, it is not. Every country has their own interests and every country has a right to defense as they see fit. Russia cannot allow Ukraine to join NATO, period. Full stop, end of story. They cannot. They have been very, very consistent about this. Ukraine is a route of invading Russia, as history has shown. Whether NATO intends to invade Russia through Ukraine is not relevant - it is what Russia sees.

The West, especially America, cannot see anything beyond its immediate interests. It cannot acknowledge that other countries may have interests that differ from its own. Russia sees Ukraine as a major entry point to Russia due to several factors, including geography. Basically, Ukraine serves as a buffer from an ever expansionist NATO. You people may not agree with this but it does not matter. This is how Russia sees it. Remember about acknowledging other people's concerns? It will be challenging for you, no doubt.

What might happen is that all of this accelerates the weakening of the West, especially America. Actually, at this point, Russia is stronger than America financially, fiscally and is more prepared in many different ways. America's influence is only a fraction of what it was back even a few decades ago, let alone further than that. As Russia abandons the US dollar, so will others. It will happen. America's influence is only going to weaken the more it reacts in a very strange way. Russia will turn towards East and other parts of the world. They have very good relations all over the world.

The past two decades of America wasting trillions and killing millions only made it much, much weaker in every way. Now, it just cannot respond in any meaningful manner. The sanctions imposed are laughable since Russia has moved away from the Western slave system anyway. It is the Europeans who are scared and cannot do a single thing. On one side, they have America and UK always pushing for more war and on the other side, they have their own energy and other commodity needs. Russia can be a good business partner with Europe but America will not let that happen. It will always throw a wrench in whatever agreement there is. Not my opinion, history has shown this. The poor Germans are timidly walking away from Nord Stream 2 but leaving the door open. They cannot abandon their energy needs no matter what America says.
You are a clown, repeating Russian propaganda.

Assuming you are American I feel sorry for someone who hates their own country so much that they would try and blame this naked aggression on their neighbors and not on the person committing it.
 

raildogg

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You are a clown, repeating Russian propaganda.

Assuming you are American I feel sorry for someone who hates their own country so much that they would try and blame this naked aggression on their neighbors and not on the person committing it.
Call me whatever other name you want, who cares. You're going to call me a Nazi next, right? If you don't go along with the regularly scheduled program, you're a traitor. Haha. You people are funny.

Retards here have been brainwashed by the media. They cannot think about other people's concerns. It's all about Western demands. Well, the decline of the West has started and it is actually accelerating unless they change their imperialist ways. The world is leaving them behind.
 
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We need to Impeach him ASAP and get Kamala on Office. We need Fresh Blood in the Highest Office on the Land. I am Sick and Tired of Old Farts running this Country.
Biden Trips Over Kamala and Strays So Far From Reality on Ukraine, Even Reporters Call Him Out

"Chief among them was this remark that jumped out to many: that “no one expected sanctions would prevent anything.”

Funny how the senile old fuck even hung his Vice-President out to dry. He probably just forgot his previous days talking points............ it's the Alzheimers.
 
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raildogg

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You blame the west but if Russia/Putin wasn’t trying to expand it borders by force for over 20 years, maybe NATO wouldn’t need to expand/countries wouldn’t want/need to join. Russia has a history of oppressive genocidal territorial expansion by war. Unfortunately for Russia, NATO will be further expanding after this latest round of Russian stupidity.
NATO has been expanding, Russia is reacting to this expansion by looking after its own interests (like Crimea, for instance).
 

fskimospy

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Call me whatever other name you want, who cares. You're going to call me a Nazi next, right? If you don't go along with the regularly scheduled program, you're a traitor. Haha. You people are funny.

Retards here have been brainwashed by the media. They cannot think about other people's concerns. It's all about Western demands. Well, the decline of the West has started and it is actually accelerating unless they change their imperialist ways. The world is leaving them behind.
Thanks for repeating more Russian propaganda.

I don’t know if you’re a Nazi or if you’re anything else. I do know by excusing this invasion you’re either stupid or complicit though. I genuinely hope the answer is just that you are stupid.

Russia invaded Ukraine. Russia is responsible for its own actions. Personal responsibility. Maybe you don’t believe in personal responsibility but I do.
 

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Biden Trips Over Kamala and Strays So Far From Reality on Ukraine, Even Reporters Call Him Out

"Chief among them was this remark that jumped out to many: that “no one expected sanctions would prevent anything.”

Funny how the senile old fuck even hung his Vice-President out to dry. He probably just forgot his previous days talking points............ it's the Alzheimers.
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