Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Meghan54

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Hey moron, thanks for posting a link all the way back from 2012. Way to keep updated on current events. Ha ha ha
Hey Dalit…India isn’t one whit better, or are you claiming Russia has indeed made a dent in the 20% of the population without indoor plumbing. God know, as well as Buddha, that India will never achieve those levels of civilized, 1st world living amongst its poor…a fact surely comprehend given u being Dalit and all.

Please don't call a poster of Indian extraction a Dalit. Just a step too far.

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fskimospy

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So was the agreement to bring peace to eastern Ukraine(which is what the agreement was), or was it to buy time for Ukraine to get stronger? BTW why would Ukraine need to get 'stronger' militarily if it was a peace agreement? All I heard it was just a ruse to buy time. Might want to get your logic and facts straight.







So tell me genius, if Russia had no intention of implementing it, why did they sign it? Was it to get 'ready' for war like Ukraine? Why would a country with the 3rd largest military in the world need to 'buy' time against a country like Ukraine at the time all didn't have all the weapons NATO has pumped in the past 8 years?









Supposed coup? Do I need to post the leaked phone call again where a US diplomat is picking who the next Ukrainian president? You do know we have a history of trying to overthrow presidents right? Ghaddafi/Saddam Hussein/Yanukovich/Castro/Chavez/Maduro/etc...Do I need to go on?







Sorry, but overthrowing/assassinating/launching coup attempts isn't reasonable. Pumping weapons into a country that borders Russia for 8 straight years isn't reasonable. Promising not to expand NATO eastward then doing it 17 times isn't reasonable. Signing peace deals that you have no intent on keeping isn't reasonable.



Would you consider it reasonable if Russia/China did these things to us? I highly doubt it.



Stop getting your news from CNN. It's frying your brain.
Wait but earlier you said never implementing the Minsk accords was fine when Russia did it.
 

zinfamous

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Hey moron, thanks for posting a link all the way back from 2012. Way to keep updated on current events. Ha ha ha

so you're mad that he's not reporting an increase of 2% for the last 10 years, to 49% of all homes now having indoor toilets in your country?

Man, U Mad.
 

kage69

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I know right? He is much safer in Kiev where cruise missile and drone strikes are raining down daily. Probably not a good idea to bring him to arguably the most protected city in the world.

#logic

You don't, everything you've posted in this thread has either been idiotic opinion unsupported by facts or a complete lie with plenty of histrionics. Keep the word "logic" out your damn mouth kid, you shouldn't use terms you don't understand.

Russia is a terrorist state with no issue conducting assassinations, and they have pissants like you cheerleading for them. Fuck off.
 

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Hey Dalit…India isn’t one whit better, or are you claiming Russia has indeed made a dent in the 20% of the population without indoor plumbing. God know, as well as Buddha, that India will never achieve those levels of civilized, 1st world living amongst its poor…a fact surely comprehend given u being Dalit and all.

Hey moron, thanks for confirming the fact that liberals like you are some of the worst bigots. I always known it for a long time and now it is confirmed here for the world to see.
 

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so you're mad that he's not reporting an increase of 2% for the last 10 years, to 49% of all homes now having indoor toilets in your country?

Man, U Mad.

I know you are all excited by your friend's poop talk. But man, both of you guys just have to take your minds out of the gutter.
 
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Probably the only good thing you said in that post, I won't dignify you by reading the rest. NATO is one of the greatest dreams ever, the alliance of alliances and it's worked for decades to keep Russia in check (the modern day holdover of shameless imperialism inherited from the previous millennium), which is exactly its intention. I hope for the day that Ukraine will join NATO, EU too!


My bad, I was being sarcastic when I made that comment about Ukraine joining NATO. Zelensky already confirmed in a CNN interview that when he asked NATO directly about NATO membership, NATO told him to fuck off in private, but publicly they will state the door is always open.

In other words, publicly we will say the door is always open for Ukraine for PR purposes, but privately you have no chance at joining NATO and instead will use your troops to fight our wars for us. NATO provides the equipment/weapons, Zelensky provides the cannon fodder.
 
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You don't, everything you've posted in this thread has either been idiotic opinion unsupported by facts or a complete lie with plenty of histrionics. Keep the word "logic" out your damn mouth kid, you shouldn't use terms you don't understand.

Russia is a terrorist state with no issue conducting assassinations, and they have pissants like you cheerleading for them. Fuck off.

Triggered much? The world has already spoken on who they believe is the biggest terrorist state. You win those kinds of polls when you drop so many bombs in Syria that you run out of them, or launch drone strikes in Afghanistan that end up killing fathers trying to pick up water for their families, or launch invasions that end up killing over a million people.
 
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fskimospy

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My bad, I was being sarcastic when I made that comment about Ukraine joining NATO. Zelensky already confirmed in a CNN interview that when he asked NATO directly about NATO membership, NATO told him to fuck off in private, but publicly they will state the door is always open.
Of course you don't let hostile countries dictate who can join your military alliance. That would be stupid.

In other words, publicly we will say the door is always open for Ukraine for PR purposes, but privately you have no chance at joining NATO and instead will use your troops to fight our wars for us. NATO provides the equipment/weapons, Zelensky provides the cannon fodder.
The US repeatedly and publicly warned Russia of the consequences of their actions and they decided to go forth with an illegal invasion anyway. If Russia doesn't like those consequences they are free to cease their illegal invasion at any time.
 

Young Grasshopper

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Of course you don't let hostile countries dictate who can join your military alliance. That would be stupid.


The US repeatedly and publicly warned Russia of the consequences of their actions and they decided to go forth with an illegal invasion anyway. If Russia doesn't like those consequences they are free to cease their illegal invasion at any time.

1 - Easy to say when your country isn’t the one who is having its main adversary putting weapons on your border.

2-Actually it was Russia who repeatedly warned NATO to stop pumping weapons into NATOs eastern flank and stop pushing for Ukraine/NATO membership, which we all know would never happen anyway straight from Zelensky’s mouth:



NATO basically told Russia to fuck off, and now as a result you have Ukrainians with no heat or power.

Thanks NATO.

BTW I don’t believe Putins request was unreasonable. If Russia or China were pumping in weapons into Canada or Mexico, this country would lose its shit and we would immediately respond. But Russia is just supposed to sit there with its thumb up its ass while adversaries are pumping weapons into its neighboring country and launching coups to put puppets in power.
 

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1 - Easy to say when your country isn’t the one who is having its main adversary putting weapons on your border.

2-Actually it was Russia who repeatedly warned NATO to stop pumping weapons into NATOs eastern flank and stop pushing for Ukraine/NATO membership, which we all know would never happen anyway straight from Zelensky’s mouth:

Well if we all knew it would never happen then it was nothing for Russia to worry about. We already knew Russia was lying about that as a justification but now you've admitted you knew Russia was lying too.

NATO basically told Russia to fuck off, and now as a result you have Ukrainians with no heat or power.

Thanks NATO.

Russia is the one bombing Ukrainian power facilities, not NATO.

BTW I don’t believe Putins request was unreasonable. If Russia or China were pumping in weapons into Canada or Mexico, this country would lose its shit and we would immediately respond. But Russia is just supposed to sit there with its thumb up its ass while adversaries are pumping weapons into its neighboring country and launching coups to put puppets in power.

Russia can do whatever they want, of course, they are a sovereign country. Russia is a nuclear power and has no actual risk of invasion by NATO and they know that as well as anyone - we should just take Putin at his word that he does not consider Ukraine to be a real country and he is therefore justified in invading them. His desire to reconstruct the Soviet empire is the real reason here, which is of course why almost every country neighboring Russia has joined NATO or is in the process of it. They know after Russia is done with Ukraine they are next so it's best to permanently end Russia's imperial ambitions here.

Regardless, Russia was clearly informed of the consequences of illegally invading their neighbor and decided to do it anyway. Their choices have consequences and now they are paying them. Any time Russia would like to stop paying those consequences all they have to do is stop their illegal invasion. If they don't want to stop that's fine, we can always revisit in a few months when their situation is even worse.
 
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You love to tell fibs to justify Russia attempt at Genocide. You would be marginally more believable if you could actually present truthful information; which is likely beyond your capacity. Russia attack on Ukraine has nothing to do with fear of 'weapons' being provided to Ukraine nor NATO expansion; rather it was a crude an extremely poorly executed attempt to steal territory they though would be easy to claim via conquest. As a result of Russia (or more precisely Putin's greed) it has placed itself in a precarious position not just because of the west response but the blatant level of corruption within Russia that manifest itself in exposing an incompetent military from ground up. We won't get into the tragic lost of life on both sides as well as the terrorist and immorale behavior of the Russians which is the true cost of this illegal invasion.

Clearly you could care less about any of this as you present your propaganda which is really an explanation for your own behavior.

1 - Easy to say when your country isn’t the one who is having its main adversary putting weapons on your border.

2-Actually it was Russia who repeatedly warned NATO to stop pumping weapons into NATOs eastern flank and stop pushing for Ukraine/NATO membership, which we all know would never happen anyway straight from Zelensky’s mouth:



NATO basically told Russia to fuck off, and now as a result you have Ukrainians with no heat or power.

Thanks NATO.

BTW I don’t believe Putins request was unreasonable. If Russia or China were pumping in weapons into Canada or Mexico, this country would lose its shit and we would immediately respond. But Russia is just supposed to sit there with its thumb up its ass while adversaries are pumping weapons into its neighboring country and launching coups to put puppets in power.
 
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RnR_au

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Zelenskyy's and Biden's speech to the media is being played live on Australian breakfast TV atm.
 
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kage69

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Triggered much?

If I am to be offended (or triggered) I would first have to value your opinion, no? *sad trombone* It's closer to pity, on account of you being so fucked in the head you are defending Russian genocide and war crimes.

The world has already spoken on who they believe is the biggest terrorist state.

Wishful thinking on your part, but your ax to grind doesn't interest me as much as your cognitive dissonance and penchant to lie. Would take quite the moron to look at current UN affairs and come away with the belief it's America committing warcrimes and genocide, that it isn't Russia who is the global pariah few want anything to do with. But look at you, you pulled it off. Way to go shit for brains.

You win those kinds of polls when you drop so many bombs in Syria that you run out of them, or launch drone strikes in Afghanistan that end up killing fathers trying to pick up water for their families, or launch invasions that end up killing over a million people.


Did it hurt? Fitting all that straw up your ass? I imagine pulling it out is also quite the feat, though I can't explain why you think that's a relevant answer, to anything. Polls? lol

Oh. You really are just a kid, aren't you?
 
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Since the Germans are not going to ever let Ukraine have Leopards (even the 1s) might be time to consider a very heavily upgraded M60 package. There are a number of options from Italy, Turkey, South Korea, etc. Vast numbers of donor vehicles are available as other nations are upgrading. Would be more economical than M1s considering the number required given Ukraine's large land area.
 

Indus

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Good to see Biden standing strong, fuck knows what’s going to happen next month when the GQP take the floor. If they vote to support Putin, no longer will they be seen as leaders of the west. In fact, would they even be in the west?

On another note, is Putin committing an act of genocide to clear out what he feels are lesser citizens of Russia, replacing them with stolen children from Ukraine?
 
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kage69

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Even though we are far and away the biggest contributor to Ukraine, we need to remember all the places in Europe who also insist that Ukraine win. Balts, Poles, Finns, Romanians, others, they all had a much different experience next to or under the Soviets - and have zero intentions of letting it happen again. They will continue helping Ukraine win no matter who controls the US government.
 
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Even though we are far and away the biggest contributor to Ukraine, we need to remember all the places in Europe who also have no intention of letting Russia win. Balts, Poles, Finns, Romanians, others, they all had a much different experience next to or under the Soviets - and with zero intention of letting it happen again. They will continue helping Ukraine win no matter who controls the US government.
All the people in eastern Europe feeling extremely justified in their decisions to join NATO after the events of this year.
 

Jaskalas

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My bad, I was being sarcastic when I made that comment about Ukraine joining NATO. Zelensky already confirmed in a CNN interview that when he asked NATO directly about NATO membership, NATO told him to fuck off in private, but publicly they will state the door is always open.

In other words, publicly we will say the door is always open for Ukraine for PR purposes, but privately you have no chance at joining NATO and instead will use your troops to fight our wars for us. NATO provides the equipment/weapons, Zelensky provides the cannon fodder.

If Ukraine does not join NATO, that simply means we will have to kill more invading Russians again.
If you were Russian, you'd be begging Ukraine to join NATO. It would save your life.