Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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whyitso

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The new Verdun / Stalingrad is still ongoing, Russia throwing away aprox 600 lives a day there
In regard to the accuracy of the figures provided by the Ukrainian authorities.
It seems nobody mentioned this here?

"“Ukraine lost 100 thousand servicemen and 20,000 civilians in the war”-Ursula von der Leyen

"Ukrainian official claims only 13,000 Ukrainian troops have been killed, disputing 100,000 figure"
 

KMFJD

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In regard to the accuracy of the figures provided by the Ukrainian authorities.
It seems nobody mentioned this here?

"“Ukraine lost 100 thousand servicemen and 20,000 civilians in the war”-Ursula von der Leyen

"Ukrainian official claims only 13,000 Ukrainian troops have been killed, disputing 100,000 figure"
Everything i've seen is that the Russians have lost about 20% at min more than Ukraine , it will be a long time before we see actual accurate figures from both sides
 

fskimospy

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I've been taught the word "whataboutism" here at forum. I assume this is an example?
No, this is pointing out your hypocrisy. You claim to be against attacks on civilians while the country you support engages in mass, indiscriminate attacks on them. We know you don’t actually care and so we aren’t going to pretend to believe you.

Remember, this is the guy who said Russia can’t commit genocide against Ukraine because Ukrainians are Russians and you can’t genocide your own. That’s the level of cultural sickness we are dealing with here, and why Russia can’t be appeased.

We are going to keep grinding your army down until you either have the good sense to return to your own country or you all apart from within. It’s up to Russia which way that goes.
 

fskimospy

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In regard to the accuracy of the figures provided by the Ukrainian authorities.
It seems nobody mentioned this here?

"“Ukraine lost 100 thousand servicemen and 20,000 civilians in the war”-Ursula von der Leyen

"Ukrainian official claims only 13,000 Ukrainian troops have been killed, disputing 100,000 figure"
Yes, as you’ve been repeating for months now, Russia is in the middle of a glorious victory, which is why they keep retreating.
 
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kage69

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appear a bit tipsy

/edit it could very well be the cocktail of drugs he's on the maintain his health, propaganda is rampant on both sides

Wow, he does. He's loaded with anti cancer meds and pain killers I'm pretty sure, probably doesn't take a lightweight like him much at all.

I like the part where he accused Ukraine of genocide over water to Donetsk.

Go home Putler, you're drunk. Things must be pretty bad for him to embarrass himself like that.
 
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zinfamous

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DNR de facto independent for 8 years. The population was overwhelmingly against Ukraine (because of the constant shelling and the attitude of Ukrainians when they visited them). The deceased deputy was elected by the locals and dealt with social issues. To call her a collaborator is to justify terrorist shelling of civilians. Which, by the way, happens every day. The Ukrainian forces retaliate against the people of Donetsk for their failures on the front with shelling every day. Several dozen civilians (not collaboraters) die every week. At the same time, Ukraine mass media cynically call this "Russian shelling" and people laughing at comments. By the way, the English version of the article about the dead children of Donbass (Angel Alley) was recently removed from Wikipedia. Do you know why?

absolutely not true. Little Green Russians aren't Ukrainians, but you already know that you are lying.
 

zinfamous

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I've been taught the word "whataboutism" here at forum. I assume this is an example?

no, it isn't, because whataboutism is about attempting to compare two completely unrelated topics, with vast distances of relevance between them, to argue against a point with which you have no standing.

Here, you are complaining about Ukrainians killing Russian invaders in defense of their territory, somehow completely unconcerned that this is all the sole responsibility, and direct response of Russian military invaders murdering Ukrainian civilians and soldiers, and stealing their land and appliances.

You are trying to blame the defenders for doing what they need to do to defend themselves from murderous shitstain humans that call themselves Russians.
 

zinfamous

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If the aim was to destroy cities with populations, it would be done differently. As far as I understand, the goal is to defeat the enemy armed forces. Sometimes they hide among houses, in schools, hospitals and parks (there is plenty of photo evidence). In such cases, firing at such targets is legitimate under international agreements.
Also erroneous hits are not excluded.
But the Ukrainian bombing of Donetsk and other "separatist" towns is certainly not mistake. Attacks in city center where there is no military - administrative buildings, markets, busy intersections. And all of these Ukrainian jokes about these strikes makes local and Russian population go crazy with anger

No one cares what murderous Russians think. Russians are born angry, because they were unfairly born into a shithole state populated with murderous shithole people.
 

Ajay

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Holding or not holding Bakhmut is really meaningless. UA continuing to hold it tells me that they think they’re inflicting murderous losses on the Russian forces, if they were on the wrong end of the losses they’d fall back.

The longer they’re holding it the longer they’re attriting Russian forces, so in that way I hope they hold it too, but if they fall back that’s fine. They can find another position to make the Russians bleed for easily enough.
Good catch. I was wondering why the UA was staying. Thinking about it, I'm now wondering if the UA is trying to put the Wagner Group in the ground for good.
 

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In regard to the accuracy of the figures provided by the Ukrainian authorities.
It seems nobody mentioned this here?

"“Ukraine lost 100 thousand servicemen and 20,000 civilians in the war”-Ursula von der Leyen

"Ukrainian official claims only 13,000 Ukrainian troops have been killed, disputing 100,000 figure"

Um, yeah. About that. She retracted her numbers and deleted this video because they were inaccurate.

But like a good propagandist, post her mistake as proof of... whatever.

 

Indus

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For the last couple of weeks, Russian war correspondents on Telegram have been describing the situation with restrained optimism. According to them, the Ukrainian side is suffering far greater losses in the "Bakhmut meat grinder", as the ratio of forces in artillery is 1:9 (words of Arestovych). Ukrainian channels, where the authors allow themselves to express their critical opinion, confirm the information about the difficult situation and the possible abandonment of Bakhmut, which would be a disaster for the entire front. At the very least, the depletion of the reserves being transferred here puts an end to Ukrainian plans for a counter-offensive in Crimea or other directions this winter
Things are never that simple in war.

Oh here is something your tellegram might have missed:

Ukrainian forces moving very quickly North West Donetsk.

Vodyane under complete control.
Russian KA-52s trying to slow them down.

Slava Ukraini.
 
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whyitso

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Vodyane under complete control.

Ukrainian side 7 hours ago:
"DeepState reports that the Russians entered the southern part of Vodeny yesterday"

Russian side:
Unsuccessful attack by AFU near Peski

Ukrainian formations made another offensive attempt (https://t.me/zhogaartem/131) near Donetsk. A large convoy of vehicles consisting of 15 BMPs, MT-LBs and Mastiff armoured vehicles advanced from Pervomayskoye towards Vodyane and headed towards Peski.

Timely detection made it possible to take swift action to stop the Ukrainian units from breaking through. The infantry and armoured vehicles came under heavy fire from artillerymen of the 238th brigade of the Russian Armed Forces, tankers, as well as fighters of the Sparta and Somali battalions.

In the course of the fire the enemy sustained heavy losses, losing several vehicles irretrievably. The AFU infantry was forced to retreat and retreat to their original lines.

Since the Ukrainian Forces lost Peski, they have repeatedly sent armoured groups there to retake the settlement. Each such attack has ended with the enemy losing personnel and equipment. However, the AFU sends more and more forces into these suicidal offensives.

Coordinates: 48.083904, 37.655331
 

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Germany will supply Ukraine with two Skynex systems in 2024. They have to be built first. A fully equipped Skynex battery is 4 35mm guns with the fancy programmable AHEAD ammunition and up to 4 containerized SkyKnight missile pods.

https://www.reuters.com/business/ae...ence-systems-ukraine-handelsblatt-2022-12-09/

The missile pods are interesting as basically a mini-VLS shoved inside a standard sized 20 foot container. 60 missiles in a pod so a total of 240 available missiles max per system.


Halcon-SkyKnight_02.jpg
 

Pens1566

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Germany will supply Ukraine with two Skynex systems in 2024. They have to be built first. A fully equipped Skynex battery is 4 35mm guns with the fancy programmable AHEAD ammunition and up to 4 containerized SkyKnight missile pods.

https://www.reuters.com/business/ae...ence-systems-ukraine-handelsblatt-2022-12-09/

The missile pods are interesting as basically a mini-VLS shoved inside a standard sized 20 foot container. 60 missiles in a pod so a total of 240 available missiles max per system.


View attachment 72605

That's sexy as hell.
 
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For the last couple of weeks, Russian war correspondents on Telegram have been describing the situation with restrained optimism. According to them, the Ukrainian side is suffering far greater losses in the "Bakhmut meat grinder", as the ratio of forces in artillery is 1:9 (words of Arestovych). Ukrainian channels, where the authors allow themselves to express their critical opinion, confirm the information about the difficult situation and the possible abandonment of Bakhmut, which would be a disaster for the entire front. At the very least, the depletion of the reserves being transferred here puts an end to Ukrainian plans for a counter-offensive in Crimea or other directions this winter

You should probably give up on military analysis if you think the loss of Bakhmut is disaster for the entire front.
 

fskimospy

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You should probably give up on military analysis if you think the loss of Bakhmut is disaster for the entire front.
I'm not super convinced his primary goal here is to provide accurate information. ;)

My favorite part is how he says he doesn't like Putin and wishes he were gone but the one thing he does support is Putin's genocidal war against Ukraine. I honestly hope he's lying because whatever brain can be like 'bad governance? NO. Genocide? Why not.'
 

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I'm not super convinced his primary goal here is to provide accurate information. ;)

My favorite part is how he says he doesn't like Putin and wishes he were gone but the one thing he does support is Putin's genocidal war against Ukraine. I honestly hope he's lying because whatever brain can be like 'bad governance? NO. Genocide? Why not.'
I think he is a prisoner of his Russian heritage and news ecosystem. I think, like Putin, he genuinely believes that Ukraine is a part of Russia that was "taken away" from the USSR. I think he buys into the narrative that neo-nazi Ukrainians (given the history of some Ukrainians joining the Germans against the Russian in WWII) are fueled and supported by the "Russia hating West."

During 'Nam, the majority of Americans supported our slaughter of millions of Vietnamese, for no good strategic reason whatsoever, due to similar blinders.

So, as a patriotic Russian, he turns a blind eye to the slaughter of Ukrainians as necessary for what he views as an existential fight of Russia against the evil West.

Just as millions of Trumptards remain caught up in the Faux News eco system, 70 plus million of whom voted again for Trump after 4 long years of knowing exactly who he was, so he also is caught up in his own world historical ghetto.

For many, emotion trumps logic and facts every single time. We on the other side make the mistake of viewing them as crazy or liars, when they have simply been prepped by their own emotional history to believe what they believe.

Up until late 1968 I believed that what we were doing in 'Nam was right, necessary and justified. I was almost lethally wrong.

I got better.