Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Interesting morning in Germany today



~Among those arrested is the former AfD member of parliament and judge Malsack-Winkemann from Berlin. According to taz information, she was intended to be the future "Minister of Justice". She was also arrested in the morning. Initially, there was no comment from the AfD. The 58-year-old had only been allowed to work as a judge in Berlin again in October after a legal dispute.

The subversives apparently saw Russia as their central political partner. Prince Heinrich XIII R.'s partner, the German-Russian Vitalia B., is said to have arranged contacts with Russia. According to information from the taz, the prince himself is also said to have once visited the Russian consulate general in Leipzig. However, the Federal Prosecutor's Office states that there are no indications that Russian contacts "reacted positively to his request".
 

feralkid

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Interesting morning in Germany today



~Among those arrested is the former AfD member of parliament and judge Malsack-Winkemann from Berlin. According to taz information, she was intended to be the future "Minister of Justice". She was also arrested in the morning. Initially, there was no comment from the AfD. The 58-year-old had only been allowed to work as a judge in Berlin again in October after a legal dispute.

The subversives apparently saw Russia as their central political partner. Prince Heinrich XIII R.'s partner, the German-Russian Vitalia B., is said to have arranged contacts with Russia. According to information from the taz, the prince himself is also said to have once visited the Russian consulate general in Leipzig. However, the Federal Prosecutor's Office states that there are no indications that Russian contacts "reacted positively to his request".


Ha! Band of Buffoons; nearly choked on my Hanswurst.
 

Pens1566

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Iraq - ???
Afghanistan - There to assist the Afghan Government.
Libya - Limited intervention from the air, and a low point in terms of NATO decisions.
Syria - ???

They were all either requested or as part of UN sanctioned/approved efforts.

0/4
 

K1052

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Poland apparently has purchased 116 M1A1s in addition to the 250 M1A2 SEPv3s on order that are supposed to start delivering in a couple months.

The US/EU should purchase the rest of Poland's PT-91 fleet and provide it to Ukraine as Poland receives its new tanks (M1s and K2s) in quantity early next year.

 
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Poland apparently has purchased 116 M1A1s in addition to the 250 M1A2 SEPv3s on order that are supposed to start delivering in a couple months.

The US/EU should purchase the rest of Poland's PT-91 fleet and provide it to Ukraine as Poland receives its new tanks (M1s and K2s) in quantity early next year.


I remember hearing about this before. Wasn't it confirmed these would replace whatever Poland was currently using and those could possibly be transferred over to Ukraine?
 
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I remember hearing about this before. Wasn't it confirmed these would replace whatever Poland was currently using and those could possibly be transferred over to Ukraine?

Yeah the PT-91 is a Polish upgraded T-72 (new engine, FCS, sights, autoloader, better reactive armor, etc) that is still in use. Poland already sent Ukraine most of their reserve of T-72M1s and some PT-91s but I think they wanted to start receiving Abrams and Panthers before they let go of the rest of their PT-91s.

One upside of all this ex-Soviet armor being sent to Ukraine is that it will be replaced in central/Eastern European stocks with tanks that take NATO spec ammunition. The Russian spec 125mm tank munitions can also be provided to Ukraine since they're no longer needed by those nations.
 

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Yeah the PT-91 is a Polish upgraded T-72 (new engine, FCS, sights, autoloader, better reactive armor, etc) that is still in use. Poland already sent Ukraine most of their reserve of T-72M1s and some PT-91s but I think they wanted to start receiving Abrams and Panthers before they let go of the rest of their PT-91s.

One upside of all this ex-Soviet armor being sent to Ukraine is that it will be replaced in central/Eastern European stocks with tanks that take NATO spec ammunition. The Russian spec 125mm tank munitions can also be provided to Ukraine since they're no longer needed by those nations.

Yep. Interop is so much easier when the systems are the same/close.
 
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Not really unexpected.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and 'spirit of Ukraine' named Time person of year

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Chicago Tribune|7 minutes ago
Time Magazine on Wednesday named Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy its person of the year, awarding him the accolade "for proving that courage can be as contagious as fear."
 

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It's been said numerous times before, but it still baffles me how oblivious Putin seems to be to what he's doing to Russia's military clout (let alone the political variety). The Ukraine invasion is not only grinding away Russia's military resources, it's showing that even the country's top-tier forces aren't that strong.

Putin can't really rattle his saber any more. Most any other country he'd want to attack with conventional arms now knows that he'll probably fail. And the nuclear threat is likely toothless. Even Putin knows that his regime ends the moment he uses a nuke, and the failures in Ukraine cast doubt on the actual readiness of Russia's nuclear stockpile. If Russia can't even adequately supply frontline troops, what are the chances some decades-old missile silo and its warheads are still working properly?
 

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Putin can't really rattle his saber any more. Most any other country he'd want to attack with conventional arms now knows that he'll probably fail. And the nuclear threat is likely toothless. Even Putin knows that his regime ends the moment he uses a nuke, and the failures in Ukraine cast doubt on the actual readiness of Russia's nuclear stockpile. If Russia can't even adequately supply frontline troops, what are the chances some decades-old missile silo and its warheads are still working properly?

I remain confused as to why anyone casts doubt on Russia's nuclear capability.
Is it what they claim it is? Probably not....
Does it need to be? No....

Even an 80% failure rate would still mean 1,200 nuclear warheads end the world.
 

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It's been said numerous times before, but it still baffles me how oblivious Putin seems to be to what he's doing to Russia's military clout (let alone the political variety). The Ukraine invasion is not only grinding away Russia's military resources, it's showing that even the country's top-tier forces aren't that strong.

Putin can't really rattle his saber any more. Most any other country he'd want to attack with conventional arms now knows that he'll probably fail. And the nuclear threat is likely toothless. Even Putin knows that his regime ends the moment he uses a nuke, and the failures in Ukraine cast doubt on the actual readiness of Russia's nuclear stockpile. If Russia can't even adequately supply frontline troops, what are the chances some decades-old missile silo and its warheads are still working properly?

And Ukraine has been using mostly the entry level stuff. Either Putin was severely ill informed of their actual capability or he is crazy...or both.
 
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MIC stocks must be doing good after this announcement, not all is going to Ukraine of course, but i'd bet a good chunk of it is...


A lot of this for the US military to replace drawn down stocks that went to Ukraine and for future needs. Keeping the production open and component suppliers lined up over a longer term makes it a lot easier to increase output should a conflict erupt. Companies are also more willing to invest capital in capacity expansions with larger longer term contracts.
 
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Mostly good, but 155 production needs to spin up well past that. Ukraine is going through millions of shells over a year.

The Ukraine Assistance Fund gets another $800M in the NDAA which the government can use to contract for munitions to be delivered to Ukraine. We'll probably spread those contracts around in Europe and Asia. This is separate from the drawdown replenishment and the upcoming larger Ukraine Econ/military aid that is likely to be including in the overall government spending omni.
 
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I remain confused as to why anyone casts doubt on Russia's nuclear capability.
Is it what they claim it is? Probably not....
Does it need to be? No....

Even an 80% failure rate would still mean 1,200 nuclear warheads end the world.

I certainly wouldn't be surprised if there are many nuclear warheads still working, and I don't want to downplay that. But Ukraine does steal some of Putin's thunder, and it's still true that the "we'll use nukes" threat rings hollow. Putin is nothing if not obsessed with holding on to power at all costs — hut puts that at risk the moment he invites direct conflict with NATO.
 
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The Ukraine Assistance Fund gets another $800M in the NDAA which the government can use to contract for munitions to be delivered to Ukraine. We'll probably spread those contracts around in Europe and Asia. This is separate from the drawdown replenishment and the upcoming larger Ukraine Econ/military aid that is likely to be including in the overall government spending omni.

Yeah, they'll figure it out I think. I do think that the peacetime stocks are just too low tho. You fight today with what you have today. Artillery shells are cheap, and we can't rely on NATO obliterating things from the air when it comes to situations like Ukraine.
 
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