Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Zorba

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The M270s they received are probably ATACMS capable since they didn't come from us. They'd have to find a willing supplier though who wasn't the US and who would risk other US made weapons procurements to supply them to Ukraine without our consent.
Honestly, I'm sure this would be easy for the US to undo. The fact this has been leaked right now almost makes we think we are about to or already have started supplying them.
 
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Pens1566

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Honestly, I'm sure this would be easy for the US to undo. The fact this has been leaked right now almost makes we think we are about to or already have started supplying them.

Or, the guns are capable and they're going to start using them as such and we're (US) trying to get out in front and distance ourselves from that.
 
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K1052

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Honestly, I'm sure this would be easy for the US to undo. The fact this has been leaked right now almost makes we think we are about to or already have started supplying them.

Yeah, likely just change the software back. Without getting into the conjecture about if the US has or will supply ATACMS that we're publicly flirting with buying them the GLSDB does show we're thinking about expanding their ability to hit stuff in the 80-150km range they're interested in. Russia doesn't hesitate to use Iskanders against Ukraine so the talk about supplying ATACMS being "escalatory" never made any sense to me to begin with.

Longer term Ukraine could probably buy pods from Turkey that include a number of rockets and missiles that the US would be less inclined to make available. It would also be cheaper.
 
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Dave_5k

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Clearly Russia desires to get practical experience fighting against a more complete NATO weapons package - we definitely should help out by supplying Ukraine with a large supply of ATACMS, a couple battalions of M1A2's and a few squadrons of F-16's and a squadron of A-10's, along with some enhanced ground based radar systems. Just to help Russia experience the impact of a broader spectrum of US technology first hand.

Realistically, while it will take months to fully train up, the time to get started was last Summer at the latest... if we haven't already started training Ukrainians on a modern western fighter (maintenance crews as much as pilots), we should be ashamed.
 

Perknose

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Realistically, while it will take months to fully train up, the time to get started was last Summer at the latest... if we haven't already started training Ukrainians on a modern western fighter (maintenance crews as much as pilots), we should be ashamed.
Makes me wonder if there hasn't been clandestine contingency training going on. Would have been smart. You can always make the call about providing them the actual hardware (or not) later.
 
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Dave_5k

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What's funny is I think people were pretty disparaging about these when Germany first announced the donation. I'm glad they are working out well.
Count me amongst the skeptical originally, I hadn't anticipated just how much Russia would be reliant on relatively low-airspeed / low altitude forces.
 
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you2

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I say they go and offer to increase the supplies to end the war quicker.

“What, that’s not what you meant?”
To be honest I think the slow escalation is less likely to result in Russia doing something drastic with WMD; I'm not so concern about nuclear but Russian undoubtedly has a large supply of chemical weapons. Really Russia deserves a good bombing of their homeland; and I'd like to see NATO take direct action against Belarus if they choose to directly enter the war. The amount of suffering and deaths to civilians in Ukraine really indicates (to me) if given the chance Russia would just kill them all; or anyone who did not swear alliance to them. Remember this all started when Ukraine ousted the Russian puppet who was president; i.e, you can be your own country as long as your beholden to us but don't try to actually act independently.

Anyway we shall see what happens but honestly I don't think sanctions should be lifted from Russian for 100 years. As for energy hopefully we (globally) will significantly reduce the consumption of oil and similar the next 5 years and while painful today maybe the Europe accelerated shift to 'green' energy will be a good thing. Of course largely due to politiics the us will end up 20 years behind.
 

kage69

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Interview with the man who predicted this war:



Is that the source of your delusions? Haha He was wrong within the first 10 seconds of hitting Play, way to start off sucking there bud. Another moron shilling for autocracies and their victim mentality, seriously, is that all you got? NATO has been rejecting Ukraine for a long time, still doing it in fact. The denial you parrots exhibit is just mindblowing.

I predicted the war 7 years ago. So? It doesn't matter, what matters is if you can be honest with yourself and others. You can do neither, as these last few dozen pages here can attest.

Thanks for the laugh. Let us know when you start to give a shit about war crimes and genocide.
 
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cytg111

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To be honest I think the slow escalation is less likely to result in Russia doing something drastic with WMD; I'm not so concern about nuclear but Russian undoubtedly has a large supply of chemical weapons. Really Russia deserves a good bombing of their homeland; and I'd like to see NATO take direct action against Belarus if they choose to directly enter the war. The amount of suffering and deaths to civilians in Ukraine really indicates (to me) if given the chance Russia would just kill them all; or anyone who did not swear alliance to them. Remember this all started when Ukraine ousted the Russian puppet who was president; i.e, you can be your own country as long as your beholden to us but don't try to actually act independently.

Anyway we shall see what happens but honestly I don't think sanctions should be lifted from Russian for 100 years. As for energy hopefully we (globally) will significantly reduce the consumption of oil and similar the next 5 years and while painful today maybe the Europe accelerated shift to 'green' energy will be a good thing. Of course largely due to politiics the us will end up 20 years behind.

100%, If given the chance Russia would kill all of us.
 
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Young Grasshopper

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Remember this all started when the US launched a coup that ousted the democratically elected president and replaced him with a NATO installed puppet.

Fixed that for you. BTW here is someone from the Obama state department choosing who was going to be the next president of a country 6000 miles away.



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Yeah? Nay? Vlad Kaboom his own stuff?



Lithuanian PM: Apparent drone attack in Russia could be a 'false flag'

www.nbcnews.com.ico
NBC News|24 minutes ago
Lithuanian Prime Minister Ingrida Simonyte called the apparent drone attack in Russia difficult to confirm.
 
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kage69

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Fixed that for you. BTW here is someone from the Obama state department choosing who was going to be the next president of a country 6000 miles away.


Sorry, coward, but the people of Ukraine overwhelmingly voted not to live as a Russian vassal state. Ukraine is not important to the US economically or strategically, but that doesn't mean Russia gets to override their sovereignty.

Deal with it. Or don't, keep acting like a paid shill with a brain injury. It's not going to make Russia lose any less, and it's not like you care about having credibility either. Let us know when you start to give a shit about war crimes and genocide.
 
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kage69

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Yeah? Nay? Vlad Kaboom his own stuff?



Lithuanian PM: Apparent drone attack in Russia could be a 'false flag'

www.nbcnews.com.ico
NBC News|24 minutes ago
Lithuanian Prime Minister Ingrida Simonyte called the apparent drone attack in Russia difficult to confirm.


He'll kaboom his own apartment complexes, why not? Definitely a possibility. Not like he's having much luck with missiles or "elite" units. Ukrainians keep gobbling up "elite" Russian units like damn Xmas cookies.
 
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