Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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From the live threads I'm seeing, sounds like Ukraine is putting up a hell of a fight. Major airport retaken before Russia could make use of it for landing (which is a pretty big deal). Crimean front is soft though, hopefully that'll get bolstered now that they can recommit forces elsewhere. By all accounts our shiny toys and their AA systems are doing a superb job of breaking shit.
 
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nicalandia

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From the live threads I'm seeing, sounds like Ukraine is putting up a hell of a fight. Major airport retaken before Russia could make use of it for landing (which is a pretty big deal). Crimean front is soft though, hopefully that'll get bolstered now that they can recommit forces elsewhere. By all accounts our shiny toys and their AA systems are doing a superb job of breaking shit.

That is Great, I hope they Keep this up and show those Commies scumbags what's up
 

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Heading over to Fox there are digs at Biden's lack of efficacy and communication here, but it doesn't sound like anything Trumpy about the situation with Russia overall.
 

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From the live threads I'm seeing, sounds like Ukraine is putting up a hell of a fight. Major airport retaken before Russia could make use of it for landing (which is a pretty big deal). Crimean front is soft though, hopefully that'll get bolstered now that they can recommit forces elsewhere. By all accounts our shiny toys and their AA systems are doing a superb job of breaking shit.
Yeap. They are putting up a good fight. But Russia is either playing dumb or coy and certainly has more tricks up their sleeves. It would be wonderful if Ukraine can pull this one off though
 
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From the live threads I'm seeing, sounds like Ukraine is putting up a hell of a fight. Major airport retaken before Russia could make use of it for landing (which is a pretty big deal). Crimean front is soft though, hopefully that'll get bolstered now that they can recommit forces elsewhere. By all accounts our shiny toys and their AA systems are doing a superb job of breaking shit.

I'm happy to hear this, but I'm also really worried about what kind of escalation we might see from Putin should he start to be thrown on the defensive. I can't believe I'm doing this again, but I'm out to get some supplies like at the beginning of the pandemic. I know it won't do much long run if we end up with nuclear catastrophe, but I don't want to be a part of any mass-panic toilet paper hoarding. Putin has no way out of this now. It's do or die (and probably take as many with him as possible if it's this).
 
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nicalandia

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My President is Biden, i have no problem acknowledging his inability to manage his office, his severe senility and his abject failure in Afghanistan and now the Ukraine.
We need to Impeach him ASAP and get Kamala on Office. We need Fresh Blood in the Highest Office on the Land. I am Sick and Tired of Old Farts running this Country.
 
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I'm very proud of those Russian citizens who are choosing to stand up to their government. Not that standing up to the government is anything special, at least not to western countries, but to see them stand up to Putin's government, that is worth applauding.
What they're doing IS special because they're risking their own livelihoods.

No. Just checked it and you're correct, in Germany they have 6 reactors. Three were shut off just months ago, and the other three will suffer the same fate by the end of this year. Nuclear accounted for 11% of their grid. This was a very foolish move.

Perhaps these events will cause them to rethink decommissioning the remaining three reactors as they were counting on Nord Stream 2 and that isn't happening.
I don't know what the status of these 9 reactors is; but as I understand it, once you begin decommissioning a nuclear power plant, there is no rollback. But you're right, extending the service life of the remaining 3 is a no-brainer.

California is facing the same problem as well, as we're apparently rushing to decommission the Diablo Canyon Power Plant:
 

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From the live threads I'm seeing, sounds like Ukraine is putting up a hell of a fight. Major airport retaken before Russia could make use of it for landing (which is a pretty big deal). Crimean front is soft though, hopefully that'll get bolstered now that they can recommit forces elsewhere. By all accounts our shiny toys and their AA systems are doing a superb job of breaking shit.

The US probably provides them with intel as well, situational awareness would be a huge help.
 

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I'm happy to hear this, but I'm also really worried about what kind of escalation we might see from Putin should he start to be thrown on the defensive. I can't believe I'm doing this again, but I'm out to get some supplies like at the beginning of the pandemic. I know it won't do much long run if we end up with nuclear catastrophe, but I don't want to be a part of any mass-panic toilet paper hoarding. Putin has no way out of this now. It's do or die (and probably take as many with him as possible if it's this).

Do you really think Putin would nuke a territory he is desperate to absorb back into the Union?
 

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Thoughts? If it doesn't include a puppet regime in Ukraine, sounds like kind of a soft reset to how things were. Yes, Ukraine loses its ability to join NATO, but the world gets to keep spinning.

If it’s a real deal Ukraine should take it because they can always violate it later if the situation changes. I tend to think there will be a LOT of other strings attached though.

Russia was driving a lot harder line before invasion so unless the invasion has been a catastrophe in some undisclosed way it’s hard to see why they would back down after they have already committed and suffered the consequences.
 

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Thoughts? If it doesn't include a puppet regime in Ukraine, sounds like kind of a soft reset to how things were. Yes, Ukraine loses its ability to join NATO, but the world gets to keep spinning.

Putin has been occasionally known to not tell the truth... and having a vague proposal serves multiple purposes

Not least of which, is a PsyOp to convince Ukrainians not to fight, as it won't be "that" bad with Uncle Vlad, disregarding any prior experience.

Meanwhile Russia would round up all of the Ukrainian political and military leadership for execution or Siberia, and would most certainly install a pro-Russia puppet as a minimal condition.
 
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Great they are holding back the surge. But Putin may just get pushed to the point. Screw the infrastructure. Just blown everything up