Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

[Dave_5k]

Bombing the entirety of all civilian infrastructure, might, by itself, force Ukraine into a ceasefire.
I cannot imagine how they live without heat and electricity. Or even function as a government and a military.
And this devastation has only truly begun in the past month. Its effects will amplify over time, especially as Iranian Ballistic Missiles find their mark to keep piling on the pain and reaching the few remaining targets. I wonder how any civilization survives such bombardment. How many people will Russia kill via winter's frozen touch?

Putin is trying to exceed 7-figures of people massacred in Ukraine I think, so that he can start comparing more properly with his hero Stalin (circa 1932-1933)

 

[itsmydamnation]

Bombing the entirety of all civilian infrastructure, might, by itself, force Ukraine into a ceasefire.
I cannot imagine how they live without heat and electricity. Or even function as a government and a military.
And this devastation has only truly begun in the past month. Its effects will amplify over time, especially as Iranian Ballistic Missiles find their mark to keep piling on the pain and reaching the few remaining targets. I wonder how any civilization survives such bombardment. How many people will Russia kill via winter's frozen touch?

That doesn't make any sense , because Putin's already done that and a ceasefire won't change that.

I don't expect much ground change over winter, but Ukraine have the tactical advantage with both artillery and himars , with flooding in of better AA, Ukraine will shell Russians and their supply lines all winter.

 

[Dave_5k]

They can still make fire, and most sensible people know how to make electricity. not on a city scale, but single homes should be able to weather the cold.

It takes a lot of firewood or coal to keep warm through the winter - while doable on single house basis, this isn't really workable for even a small city, would need a daily caravan of fuel. And Russia stole or destroyed basically all of the solar panels in regions they occupied, cutting off that avenue

 

[Drach]

It takes a lot of firewood or coal to keep warm through the winter - while doable on single house basis, this isn't really workable for even a small city, would need a daily caravan of fuel. And Russia stole or destroyed basically all of the solar panels in regions they occupied, cutting off that avenue

It is what it is. My family over there are prepared and won't freeze to death. Everyone is expecting the worst and helping out their neighbors as well as anyone could.

 

[Michael]

Water is more a concern than electricity. If you can heat up a room even for an hour, you can partially seal it and keep warm through the night. I have been out camping in the ice and snow often enough to know that staying warm enough is not that hard.

Water to drink and for toilets / sanitation is harder. Especially if pipes are freezing.

 

[kage69]

Lots of countries and aid orgs have been sending generators to Ukraine for awhile now, hundreds at a time. Probably still need more though, in addition to better sources of heat like fuel oil and NG. They might have to burn some wood and coal to supplement but they'll make it. Trees aren't in abundance like in the States or Canada maybe, but they do have their own coal mines.

Use whatever is available, anything goes this winter. It will suck. If things get really bad we get the USAF involved, ship direct. Constant fuel oil and gas deliveries from Poland and Romania shouldn't be too hard to pull off though.

 

[Drach]

Water is more a concern than electricity. If you can heat up a room even for an hour, you can partially seal it and keep warm through the night. I have been out camping in the ice and snow often enough to know that staying warm enough is not that hard.

Water to drink and for toilets / sanitation is harder. Especially if pipes are freezing.

Endless doom and gloom from you. My family is excited about their future away from russias orbit. They have suffered more than you can imagine but their expectations of their future are bright.

 

[Leeea]

If they received orders it might have been something like this;

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1590834142153146368

Spoiler: hide

Solovyev is pissed...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1590827196079550464

Ofcause he is pissed at people. Not at the machine. He is part of this machine... a machine that can't have people telling the truth.

That is a grade A war crime. Any soldier caught intentionally not wearing his uniform can legally be summarily executed.

Winter is going to be a completely new phase of the war. Let us hope the Ukrainians can handle a winter with limited electricity and heat.

Ukrainian civilian population might have problems.

Ukrainian military? They are already getting NATO goretek gear. It is good stuff.

 

[tweaker2]

Who could've known in the first few weeks of Putin's three day war that the Ukrainians would/could have retaken so much of their territory back from his grasp. Thinking about all of the natural resources and strategic land mass that Putin and his cabal of subservient oligarchs salivated over as his war was launched, it makes me feel proud of the Ukrainians and the western allies for denying Putin and his henchmen all of that treasure that he and they thought was so easy to seize.

Reclaiming Crimea seems so farfetched, yet given what Zelenskyy and his people have accomplished so far, there is that glimmer of hope shining away in the distance that seems more and more a possibility that it could happen.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

^^ Take out the rest of the bridge and whatever land roads/rail and it's not that far fetched.

 

[Jaskalas]

^^ Take out the rest of the bridge and whatever land roads/rail and it's not that far fetched.

Reaching the Sea of Azov would pretty much condemn Crimea, should the war continue.
The question becomes, can Ukraine push the south?

It is clearly not an easy task and depends on Ukraine grinding the Russians down enough. Progress on the East would help convince me that Russia is ready to cede solid ground instead of the impossible position Kherson City put them in. I believe it would take a LOT of HIMAR shots to soften Russian positions enough. I remain skeptical on if we have armed Ukraine enough for the task ahead.

 

[Jaskalas]

I remain skeptical on if we have armed Ukraine enough for the task ahead.

And here is some of the reason why....
Apparently top Pentagon brass wants to force Ukraine to surrender land. US, like Western Europe, wants to appease Hitler Putin's genocidal aims. Seems we do not want Ukraine to completely win, or Russia to completely lose. God damn traitors.

Biden admin divided over path ahead for Ukraine as top US general Milley pushes for diplomacy

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

And here is some of the reason why....
Apparently top Pentagon brass wants to force Ukraine to surrender land. US, like Western Europe, wants to appease Hitler Putin's genocidal aims. Seems we do not want Ukraine to completely win, or Russia to completely lose. God damn traitors.

Biden admin divided over path ahead for Ukraine as top US general Milley pushes for diplomacy

I'd put a tenner on the purpose of this being to remind Americans/westerners with an exceedingly short attention span exactly why negotiations with Russia don't work. Blab a bit about diplomacy, Russia makes absurd demands, back to business as usual.

 

[cytg111]

And here is some of the reason why....
Apparently top Pentagon brass wants to force Ukraine to surrender land. US, like Western Europe, wants to appease Hitler Putin's genocidal aims. Seems we do not want Ukraine to completely win, or Russia to completely lose. God damn traitors.

Biden admin divided over path ahead for Ukraine as top US general Milley pushes for diplomacy

This may be super stupid (so right on queue..) BUT, in terms of long play geopolitics, what is Milley's credentials? Is he privy to all the psyops security briefings that the president is? Just thought that the generals partake was more on the kinetic side of things and less on the "grand design" on the chess board.
Maybe he has backchannel comms to rival peers that warns that "stupid" is getting danger close? (stupid being chemical and/or tactical).

 

[K1052]

Reaching the Sea of Azov would pretty much condemn Crimea, should the war continue.
The question becomes, can Ukraine push the south?

It is clearly not an easy task and depends on Ukraine grinding the Russians down enough. Progress on the East would help convince me that Russia is ready to cede solid ground instead of the impossible position Kherson City put them in. I believe it would take a LOT of HIMAR shots to soften Russian positions enough. I remain skeptical on if we have armed Ukraine enough for the task ahead.

Ukraine concentrating their M142/M270 capability and limited (but growing) number of 155/L52 guns to the southern front is going to make life extremely uncomfortable for the Russians.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

^^^^^ Uhh ... yeah

Mark A. Milley - U.S. Department of Defense > Biography
https://www.defense.gov › About › Biographies › Biography › Article › 614392 › general-mark-a-milley
General Mark A. Milley is the 20th Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the nation's highest-ranking military officer, and the principal military advisor to the President

 

[K1052]

There is no room for diplomacy until Putin makes some. Even the Germans understand this now.

I don't think the situation is going static when it gets colder like Milley suggests. The Russians are probably hoping for this. When the ground firms up Ukraine is likely to press on with their campaign. Make Russia transfer undersupplied weary troops and equipment to another front as soon as possible to attrit them again but this time in the freezing cold.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Ordered from who? Missiles R Us?

Putin orders a new batch of hypersonic 6,670mph nuclear-capable Zircon missiles that Russians boast is 'unstoppable' to Western air defences

Daily Mail|3 hours ago
Vladimir Putin has put in a new order for dozens of cutting-edge hypersonic Zircon nuclear-capable missiles, which travel at speeds of nearly 7,000mph, it was revealed today. The Mach 9 weapon - known in Russia as 'Tsirkon' - is due to be 'in service' this ...

 

[K1052]

Ordered from who? Missiles R Us?

Putin orders a new batch of hypersonic 6,670mph nuclear-capable Zircon missiles that Russians boast is 'unstoppable' to Western air defences

Daily Mail|3 hours ago
Vladimir Putin has put in a new order for dozens of cutting-edge hypersonic Zircon nuclear-capable missiles, which travel at speeds of nearly 7,000mph, it was revealed today. The Mach 9 weapon - known in Russia as 'Tsirkon' - is due to be 'in service' this ...

People really need to start filing press releases on Russian weapons systems in the appropriate place. Yes, over there that round receptacle on the floor in the corner.

 

[Brainonska511]

People really need to start filing press releases on Russian weapons systems in the appropriate place. Yes, over there that round receptacle on the floor in the corner.

It should probably be relabeled as "Russia orders 2 new hypersonic missiles for their annual parade, and Yuri in weapons development just got some new luxury cars and a yacht."

 

[K1052]

There is some chatter (from both sides) of fighting happening in Kinburn...

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

No idea of the credibility of this site ......

Iran claims that it has built a hypersonic missile. Here's what we know

Interesting Engineering|1 day ago
Iran's announcement of an advanced weapon could be aimed at deflecting focus from internal protests or plain exaggeration to warn adversaries.

 

[rommelrommel]

Ordered from who? Missiles R Us?

Putin orders a new batch of hypersonic 6,670mph nuclear-capable Zircon missiles that Russians boast is 'unstoppable' to Western air defences

Daily Mail|3 hours ago
Vladimir Putin has put in a new order for dozens of cutting-edge hypersonic Zircon nuclear-capable missiles, which travel at speeds of nearly 7,000mph, it was revealed today. The Mach 9 weapon - known in Russia as 'Tsirkon' - is due to be 'in service' this ...

Gotta remember that Russia also ordered 100 Armata tanks that were supposed to be delivered by 2020 and new aircraft carriers in 2005 that are still just plans. They’re getting as bad for wunderwaffen as the Nazis were.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

It's a start .....

Ukrainian Police and TV Broadcasts Return to Kherson After Russian Troops Withdraw

Time|44 minutes ago
Ukrainian police officers returned Saturday, along with TV and radio services, to the southern city of Kherson following the withdrawal of Russian troops, part of fast but cautious efforts to make the only regional capital captured by Russia livable after months of occupation.

...

 

[rommelrommel]

That is a grade A war crime. Any soldier caught intentionally not wearing his uniform can legally be summarily executed.


Ukrainian civilian population might have problems.

Ukrainian military? They are already getting NATO goretek gear. It is good stuff.

There’s no such war crime as not wearing your uniform. Wearing the opposing sides uniform is what sometimes leads to summary execution.

Ditching your uniform to disappear or defect is an ancient gambit and held to not be a war crime. Ditching it to evade capture is generally held to not be a war crime. Ditching it to spy or conduct some kind of operation is questionable, some Germans that did this in the Battle of the Bulge were acquitted later, but some were also summarily executed.


Feigning civilian status to conduct an ambush or whatever tho is a war crime and you very well might get summarily executed or later convicted.

Also goretec is not winter gear, it’s rain gear that breathes. Doesn’t do much in extreme cold because you don’t sweat in that weather. Ukrainian winter is more about heavy insulation.