Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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pete6032

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I wonder... with the correct weather pattern, would a bombardment of Chernobyl act like a dirty bomb over Russia?
It would do far more than that, but... I think Ukraine's enemies would be the primary victims of such an event.
WHAT. THE. FUCK?
 
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spacejamz

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CNN has mentioned several times that that Russia has air superiority over Ukraine...according to Wiki, the Ukrainian Air Force has about 50 fighter jets total and the newest ones they have are Mig 29's that were developed in the 70's...no telling how many were taken out in the first series of missile strikes and one Mig that landed in Romania already...this makes David and Goliath look like a fair fight..
 

Ajay

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Addendum to #4
4. Despite the "A" in the name, consider preemptively adding AU, NZ, Japan, SK to deter our "friends" in SE Asia. The first two are already tied to several main members via five eyes, the latter two through existing large scale deployments.
That's not how it works. Countries in Europe wishing to join petition NATO to join. After that, a series of detailed negotiations and action plans are made. There will be certain targets that joining members will need to reach and adhere to in order to be accepted; at which time a formal treaty obligation is signed. We already have military alliances with the Asian counties you listed (eh, not sure about NZ).
 

Jaskalas

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WHAT. THE. FUCK?

I am sorry that you are not imaginative. But war is not about niceties. The US, from a position of absolute strength and domination, merely pretends that it is. And for that strength we have spared many civilian lives that would otherwise be lost if we needed to carpet bomb things. But on any occasion where two belligerents are not massively mismatched, anything goes. Any thing. And you have to imagine getting a dirty bomb into Moscow, or generally F'ing Russia up would be a primary goal of their opponent.

Pain for pain's sake, to make the opponent think twice.

Regarding how wars are actually conducted, look no further than the bombed out husks of cities in the middle east. Russia conducted much of that bombardment just in the past decade. We also were not so nice against ISIS, did you see pictures of Mosul after it was retaken? Point is... anything goes. You simply fail to imagine what that could look like.
 

Pens1566

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That's not how it works. Countries in Europe wishing to join petition NATO to join. After that, a series of detailed negotiations and action plans are made. There will be certain targets that joining members will need to reach and adhere to in order to be accepted; at which time a formal treaty obligation is signed. We already have military alliances with the Asian counties you listed (eh, not sure about NZ).

It's a political process, and has been modified in the past. Certain targets for CURRENT members aren't met yet either. It's entirely within the organizations power to admit as they choose. Acting like it's a strict yes/no is disingenuous.
 

K1052

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Official accession to NATO would still probably take at least a few weeks if all the stops were pulled out. Once the request is made the US could elect to provide interim protection at the invitation of those governments until accession is complete. Realistically the Russians aren't in much of a position to do anything about it since the vast majority of their forces are deployed in and around Ukraine.
 

woolfe9998

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From CNN:

Putin, in an unscheduled televised address dripping with false claims about genocide perpetrated against ethnic Russians in eastern regions of Ukraine, declared an operation to "demilitarize and denazify Ukraine."

Denazify? For the history challenged, I would point out that this is literally the exact same justification that Hitler used to invade Czechoslovakia in '38 and Poland in '39. He claimed that first the Czechs, then the Poles, were persecuting ethnic Germans in the western parts of their countries.

Putin really needs to get some original material.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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From CNN:



Denazify? For the history challenged, I would point out that this is literally the exact same justification that Hitler used to invade Czechoslovakia in '38 and Poland in '39. He claimed that first the Czechs, then the Poles, were persecuting ethnic Germans in the western parts of their countries.

Putin really needs to get some original material.
Not even sure why he's doing the whole 'french lace of authenticity' thing. Like, dude doesn't really need a 'reason' to invade Ukraine if the end result is the same. Nobody's going to believe it anyhow.
 
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Pens1566

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Official accession to NATO would still probably take at least a few weeks if all the stops were pulled out. Once the request is made the US could elect to provide interim protection at the invitation of those governments until accession is complete. Realistically the Russians aren't in much of a position to do anything about it since the vast majority of their forces are deployed in and around Ukraine.

Right, it's not a "today" thing. I'd expect the logistics of setting a vote, getting paperwork squared away would take at least that long. Point is, you announce it as underway ASAP as PR/political pressure while that's all going on in background. Entirely possible, and useful deterrence.
 

fskimospy

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From CNN:

Denazify? For the history challenged, I would point out that this is literally the exact same justification that Hitler used to invade Czechoslovakia in '38 and Poland in '39. He claimed that first the Czechs, then the Poles, were persecuting ethnic Germans in the western parts of their countries.

Putin really needs to get some original material.

If the consequences weren't so awful Russia's attempts to manufacture a casus belli would be funny because of their sheer ineptitude.
 
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Would the missile defense shield/system that was going to be built somewhere around Czechoslovakia and Poland provided any protection for what is going on now in Ukraine? I know that project got cancelled about 10-15 yrs ago
 

Jaskalas

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Russia's attempts to manufacture a casus belli would be funny because of their sheer ineptitude.

It is only inept if you thought it was for your consumption. It is not. Russia simply needed a narrative to shove down their people's throats. Russian people will sing the tune, or they'll join the opposition party in prison. Very similar as happens with North Korea.
 

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Not even sure why he's doing the whole 'french lace of authenticity' thing. Like, dude doesn't really need a 'reason' to invade Ukraine if the end result is the same. Nobody's going to believe it anyhow.
The story line isn't for the West, it is primarily for Russians and to a lesser extent for the pro-Russia minority in Ukraine.

His blatant lies about Crimea led to a 20-point domestic approval rating bump for Putin when Russia seized the region in 2014
 

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The story line isn't for the West, it is primarily for Russians and to a lesser extent for the pro-Russia minority in Ukraine.

His blatant lies about Crimea led to a 20-point domestic approval rating bump for Putin when Russia seized the region in 2014
'Course the domestic approval ratings are probably falsified as well, which means in the end the only one it's for is Putin. The emperor has no clothes!
 
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K1052

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Would the missile defense shield/system that was going to be built somewhere around Czechoslovakia and Poland provided any protection for what is going on now in Ukraine? I know that project got cancelled about 10-15 yrs ago

Aegis Ashore systems are operational in Romania and soon to be in Poland. Putin hates these things but they didn't actually get the go ahead until his adventure in Georgia.

Relatedly it is the Czech Republic not Czechoslovakia.

Edit: apparently the US deployed THAAD to Poland in 2019 due to delays with completion of the Aegis Ashore system there, now slated to be done this year.
 
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fskimospy

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It is only inept if you thought it was for your consumption. It is not. Russia simply needed a narrative to shove down their people's throats. Russian people will sing the tune, or they'll join the opposition party in prison. Very similar as happens with North Korea.
Of course it was for my consumption! Not exclusively, but the entire world is the audience for these false flag attempts.

Putin doesn't need much of an excuse inside of Russia because as you say he can just arrest the dissenters. If you have a more effective propaganda campaign though then you splinter the western response, you probably lessen sanctions, etc. I mean if Ukraine really was committing genocide in its east this invasion would be very different to a lot of people in the west. Biden did a really good job in denying Putin that.