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cytg111
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-Is one of Russia's top priorities, after winning Ukraine, to get sanctions lifted/eased?
-Is that more or less likely with NS1+2 blown up?
Zor Prime
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Q up in this Polish house! And Forbes too, apparently.
I hadn't seen that information shared in the thread yet so I shared it. ... like, that's about it.
I don't know who did it. I said as much. Hell, I went as far as to say we'll likely never know who did.
But it would make sense for America to do so. Russia can't wait for an ideal moment for maximum gain to flip the gas switch back on.
You better believe that Putin is also being pretty damn hopeful that support for Ukraine wanes so he can get what he wants. Chilling parts of Europe and midterms swinging to the right would be a big step in that direction.
The political landscape is every bit as important at this point in time as the actual battlefield because that is what's going to ultimately dictate what's happening on the ground.
Europe getting cold feet, economics being a huge motivator in who gets voted in and ousted, coupled with midterms going to the Republicans could let Russia catch its breath and redouble if not end up with what they want or slink away with Putin still in power. Not every story has a happy ending. Life isn't fair. Sometimes you pass Go and get shafted with $20 instead of $200.
Putin appears to be pretty fucked on the battlefield front, so yeah my 'theory' that the prick is placing a hefty bet on the political landscape is simple common sense. Anybody blowing up the 'Nord pipelines really puts a wrench right up Russia's ass.
Also, if you're just trying to bide time for a couple more months to see how things pan out if you put your evil dictator hat on it makes sense to throw poorly to zero trained conscripts into the meat grinder to try and get those extra few precious seconds to see if the tide might go in your favor.
I think Putin is gambling in a calculated fashion, trying to make the most of a horribly shitty situation he's found himself in, but nope I ain't got a clue who actually messed up his pipelines.
Jaskalas
Lifer
- Jun 23, 2004
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USA doubling down on HIMARs.
That should help counter the threat of Iranian drones. And hopefully expand the Ukrainian defense / counter fire line.
That should help counter the threat of Iranian drones. And hopefully expand the Ukrainian defense / counter fire line.
I'll ask again, have you had your water tested for lead lately?
Michael
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Surrounded by many posts claiming that Lyman will fall the next day (going on for a while) and then a post about some village falling (and other posts claiming it was taken back). And other posts saying that the intent was to encircle and trap forces and some village or heights over the road listed as the proof about why that is working.
Lots of different maps with arrows on them from different twitter sources.
What I do know is that Lyman has not been recaptured by the Ukrainians yet and that Russian forces are resisting.
Other than that, Ukraine high command is much smarter than me here. Maybe they have other objectives.
They will have to ramp up production but that may take longer than the rate they are depleted.
www.cnbc.com
The U.S. and Europe are running out of weapons to send to Ukraine
NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg held a special meeting of the alliance's arms directors to discuss ways to refill member nations' weapons stockpiles.
biostud
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cytg111
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The pro Ukraine narratives/propaganda is... pro Ukraine. Why are you sabotaging Ukraine psyops campaign?
Jaskalas
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To be fair, we should seek the truth. Not sides.
However, the posts we are responding to have repeatedly and adamantly downplayed Ukraine at every turn. And is now acting in defiance of the truth, exactly as we would expect from Russian News itself. Likely not breaking until after Russian News does. Which begs the question... to whom do they listen?
The development of Lyman's encirclement is clear. I was surprised they still denied it. Only the higher ups at Russia deny it, their people on Telegram are panicked and upset.
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cytg111
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Indeed we should... and we all know that truth is the first thing that dies in war.. yet our "twitter sources" have had a pretty good track record in terms of 20/20 hindsight so far...
dainthomas
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The "explosions" were just the sounds of his sick aikido moves.
Theoretically yes - would be trivial if the gas was flowing to use a standard maintenance pig with some extra C4 and a detonator attached - although that would almost certainly leave significant (presumably undesirable to the bad actor) evidence behind upon inspection. As gas wasn't flowing would need to be a custom delivery device, but nothing overly complicated. In any case, damage inspection should be able to determine if explosion was internal or external.
Could the Russians have had a long-standing contingency capability to blow up the pipeline - but, Russian military competency being what it is - someone pulled the pin prematurely?
Zorba
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You could theoretically do this with a pig, but the gas would have to be flowing to move the pig.
One leak could certainly have been an accident. Two separate explosions, 75km apart, is almost certainly enemy action. Preliminary Swedish estimates from seismology readings is >100kg TNT explosive equivalent blasts
Seismologists suspect explosions damaged undersea pipelines that carry Russian gas
The events on Monday in the Baltic Sea resembled blasts from depth charges or mines, according to a Swedish researcher. They caused major leaks from the inactive Nord Stream pipelines.
www.npr.org
If they give the pig a snorkel, water, and MREs, they could probably train it to traverse down the pipe, right?
cytg111
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Brainonska511
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The message is probably like: we have this capability to cut off undersea gas pipelines and other undersea infrastructure. By doing it only to Nordstreams, they don't risk escalation with other countries, but they get to send the message and also play dumb blame other people games like someone in this thread is pushing.
They also have created a feasible event to protect Gazprom from legal action for failure to fulfill gas contracts in Europe. "Sorry, pipeline had an unforeseeable accident."
No idea. They are prepping Moscow for a big event on Friday, so they are gonna announce something.
IronWing
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This was literally the plot to a James Bond movie.
Someone else mentioned that Russia’s reaction is also very telling. The guys who threaten nuclear war every time their lunch order is late are just like ‘I guess we will just have to wait and see’ on this one.
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