Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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fskimospy

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I assume Putin ordered them blown out of spite. Just one self defeating move after another.
From his perspective I get it - while he’s in power they are unlikely to be used much and when he’s out of power he’s probably dead so who cares anyway?
 
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K1052

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From his perspective I get it - while he’s in power they are unlikely to be used much and when he’s out of power he’s probably dead so who cares anyway?

Europe might have decide to repurpose the lines in the future is the only thing I can think of.

Norway is getting concerned about sabotage of their energy infrastructure. Military attacks on European energy supplies will generate a response, should they happen.

 

Artorias

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If accurate, another data point confirming that Russia is generally just rounding up conscripts and throwing them at the front line ~ no need for equipment or training

It's one thing for politicians to send people to their deaths and a whole other story of generals and officers going along with this plan. Perhaps their entire military command structure is full of politicians who have never actually served in any combat capacity.

You would think the professional Russian army would have mutinied for the complete disregard of life.
 
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fskimospy

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It's one thing for politicians to send people to their deaths and a whole other story of generals and officers going along with this plan. Perhaps their entire military command structure is full of politicians who have never actually served in any combat capacity.

You would think the professional Russian army would have mutinied for the complete disregard of life.
If this is what is actually happening and it's happening at any significant scale if I were Putin I would worry about internal unrest.
 
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IronWing

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It's one thing for politicians to send people to their deaths and a whole other story of generals and officers going along with this plan. Perhaps their entire military command structure is full of politicians who have never actually served in any combat capacity.

You would think the professional Russian army would have mutinied for the complete disregard of life.
A wise person once wrote, "Historically, Russian leadership has never been the least bit concerned about the loss of Russian life."
 

Zorba

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More confirmations Nord Stream was not an accident, explosions on the subsea pipelines more than 75km apart. Of course, Nord Stream 2 being on hot standby rather than decommissioned was just Germany hoping for war to be over and to get back to business as usual.
I wonder who would've done this. Seems like those that had both the desire and capability would be a pretty short list.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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If there is any sabotage of an undersea pipeline, knowing its not likely to be a non-state actor - NATO would be fairly comfortable in carrying out direct airstrikes against Russian military targets.
Might be trying to goad NATO into a response, justifying future actions.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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Justifying to who? Trying to goat China into something?
To themselves. They've committed to a nonstop parade (charade) of actions taken to justify future actions. NATO response to threatening energy security provides internal justification for the usage of escalations (nuclear response).

I'm not saying it's logical, just consistent with their behavior so far ('votes' to justify annexation, 'nazis' to justify initial invasion, 'referendums' to justify mobilization, etc).
 
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Leeea

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"Feels" like a shot across the bow from Putin showing Russia has the capability to disrupt other pipelines bringing gas in.
Thing is they are transitioning to LNG for now. If Putin hits a port to stop the LNG it will be an article 5.
 
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Blowing their own pipeline is ideal, it gets the result. Attacking energy security of NATO without it being a direct action against NATO, hence, a goad rather than an actual attack.
Also let's Russia play dumb "who, me?" games when it comes to cutting off the gas supply to Germany, just like the whole bs little green men in Crimea. "We'd like to send gas, but the pipeline is damaged by an accident."
 

Leeea

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You must be quite young or not from the US, or both.

It was the rallying cry in the 1960s opposing the draft and VietNam.

Lots of young US draft age kids went to Canada or other places. Some still may not be legally able to return to the US.
I knew what it was from, but no I do not remember those events.

As you correctly deduced, they were before my time.

As for quite young, we are talking about events that happened 60 years ago. I would argue it is simply a matter of you being quite old :p.


Like I said, they were 100% correct to skip on that draft. Vietnam was an imperialistic war wrapped up in anti-communism propaganda.
 
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Dave_5k

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It's one thing for politicians to send people to their deaths and a whole other story of generals and officers going along with this plan. Perhaps their entire military command structure is full of politicians who have never actually served in any combat capacity.

You would think the professional Russian army would have mutinied for the complete disregard of life.
Well, most of them being thrown away aren't "real" Russians anyway (ethnic minority groups / poor rural regions vastly over-represented in conscripts - folks that Moscovites very much look down on)
 
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