dainthomas
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If yUKe has so many missiles, how is this possible ?
Russian air force action increases despite flood of antiaircraft missiles into Ukraine
Washington Post on MSN.com|15 hours ago
On Monday, a senior U.S. defense official said Russia had flown about 300 sorties in the previous 24 hours, up from an average of about 200 per day earlier in the war.
Pressure from leadership to do more regardless of losses. Or, dropping dumb bombs from altitude.
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They all caused extremely significant damage, let's not downplay that.
Also, those were absolutely the most powerful of the most powerful that were used to test since just testing on Japanese people for no reason what so ever would have been frowned upon when you can't just outright lie and make it believable.
Pens1566
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I think what they were referring to is that any test detonations would have been done with minimizing fallout (unless that was the test case) as much as possible. At least for western testing ...
Do you ever wonder why we don't do that anymore? It's because the fallout was really significant. https://www.epa.gov/radtown/radioactive-fallout-nuclear-weapons-testing
The fallout from each and everyone was world wide and should never have happened.
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Sure, but my point was to explain why those tests didn't just kill everybody, did you not check the discussion? I was not downplaying the folly of the tests.
dainthomas
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Interesting how common wisdom said they had a large, well trained and well equipped army with ample cutting edge weaponry. All funded by an economy the size of Brazil.
When in actuality it appears they've just been cruising on their Cold War rep.
Lost_in_the_HTTP
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NATO countries to provide Ukraine with protective gear for chemical warfare.
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I don't know about you but I wouldn't feel very secure if handed kit to protect against chemical weapons...
K1052
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EU doubling down on military aid for Ukraine
K1052
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Their sole aircraft carrier is a floating pile of scrap that is insufficiently manned, maintained, and operated to be of much military use. That is when it isn't busy being under repair for years, sinking its dry dock, having a massive crane fall through the flight deck, or literally on fire.
Pens1566
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We stopped because of test ban treaties.
But that wasn't the discussion at hand. It was why atmospheric testing didn't present an apocalyptic scenario.
Lost_in_the_HTTP
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And the others? Battleships, landing craft, destroyers, etc?
All floating artificial reefs?
Sure, but my point was to explain why those tests didn't just kill everybody, did you not check the discussion? I was not downplaying the folly of the tests.
I did not, my apologies for busting into a conversation without knowing the context. My point was only about the idea that it had no significant fallout.
I should have read the previous posts you were replying to to get the context, again, my apologies for not doing so.
K1052
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A mix of old soviet garbage and some newer small stuff. They had to beg the French to sell them their old Mistral helo carriers, a deal which never went through.
They also lack much amphibious capability which is one reason they've kept those ships away from Odessa. If they loose them they're impossible to replace.
Well, yeah, but why were the treaties put in place?
I think atmospheric testing would be absolutely horrid but it's not my field. I do know that atmospheric testing would be WORSE than other forms of testing because that is a given considering how precipitation works from the outer to the inner layers of the atmosphere.
I believe any nation doing that, knowing full well that it is a worldwide distribution of particles that carry high radiation count should be sanctioned.
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Grey_Beard
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Autopsy reveals he had a heart attack on the way down. This verifies the “heart issues” revealed earlier.
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K1052
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Russian navy does not want to discover if the Ukrainians still have Neptunes. Then there is the problem that with the copious amounts of longer range anti-tank missiles in Ukraine's possession they may never leave the beach.
Pens1566
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Test ban treaties were intended to limit the development of new types/sizes really. Part of larger effort to reduce the stockpiles overall. Which did actually happen. We're way below the total #s of the 70s/80s.
And I can't remember exact dates, but we (US) did drastically reduce our atmospheric testing anyway, without needing treaties. I think all of our "recent" ones were subterranean. Russians loved to use SIberia as it was isolated enough for their liking. Maybe the French kept on with island testing, but I'm not sure.
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