K1052
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If Ukraine can get this deal they should take it immediately. As we’ve seen over the last month anything can happen in war and this amounts to near total victory for Ukraine.
K1052
Lifer
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100%
Of course conditional on Russia actually keeping up their end with a ceasefire and rapid pull out.
Fanatical Meat
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moments before this post, I heard a dude on the radio I think he is a retired colonel(?) say these systems are pretty easy to use and there are simplified “crash courses” that can be given to people on how to operate them.
Maintenance is a steeper learning curve but there is time for that.
cytg111
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Great 'boots on the ground' read. The direct interfacing of locals with soldiers has been a game-changer.
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My wife and I were talking about the post-conflict Ukraine assuming victory and just the mess that country will have to deal with.
Like right now we are fixated on just a binary win/loss getting Russia out. But the long term clean up Ukraine will face. Those 3 million people that left, how many have homes let alone a village to come back to. All of the dud mortars/missiles/mines/military garbage left. Bodies. Destroyed infrastructure. Just the entirety of chaos and destruction we can't really fathom. And then you have the civil concern of what to do with Russian apologists still in your borders.
Even victory is going to be bittersweet for that poor country to pick up the shambles it's left with.
Like right now we are fixated on just a binary win/loss getting Russia out. But the long term clean up Ukraine will face. Those 3 million people that left, how many have homes let alone a village to come back to. All of the dud mortars/missiles/mines/military garbage left. Bodies. Destroyed infrastructure. Just the entirety of chaos and destruction we can't really fathom. And then you have the civil concern of what to do with Russian apologists still in your borders.
Even victory is going to be bittersweet for that poor country to pick up the shambles it's left with.
K1052
Lifer
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Wait those terms are not a negotiated product but represent the Russian proposal? Yikes.
SMOGZINN
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As it stands right now Putin can, and will, win this war. Russia tried to win this war in a fast push but that failed, they are now digging in for a siege.
UKr is fighting a defensive war, they have basically no way to strike back at Russia. Once Russia moves this to a bombing campaign they can just keep pounding them for years or even decades.
Ukraine can only win such a war by breaking the will of the Russian people to fight. And with the State controlled media, and the willingness to ruthlessly stamp down protest, that will not happen quickly.
Sounds like Putin might be prepping his stance to explain the failure, and go on a crusade of 'ethnic cleansing' within Russia in a bid to stay in power.
HomerJS
Lifer
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Too fucking late orange boy and the rest of your Republican and right wing media Putin cheerleaders. Now all those assholes are going to pretend they weren't praising Putin. Why does the public continuously fall for their horseshit time after time???
Trump admits he was wrong about Putin — but just can't quit him (msn.com)
Trump admits he was wrong about Putin — but just can't quit him (msn.com)
Midterms and 2024 need to literally just be carpet-bombed nonstop clips of compromised Republicans speaking for themselves.
HomerJS
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If he kills his own people that's their problem. Keep the sanctions on fully. Start seizing the assets of all the billionaire Russians to help pay for rebuilding Ukraine
BoomerD
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300 Billion in Russian foreign reserves that aren't in Russia would be a good start.
K1052
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As usual no autocrat or dictator can fail, they can only be failed.
K1052
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As deplorable as murdering his own citizens is, I much prefer this outcome to my prediction of a nuke on Kyiv.
K1052
Lifer
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Flying claymore mines are not going to do wonders for Russian morale.
Humanitarian disaster that is ongoing, I wouldn't wish to continue 1 more minute, much less another week. But yes, Ukraine wants more solid assurance that Russia won't just regroup and then resume missile bombardment. I don't think reparations are realistically on the table, as much as I'd want it.
Number1
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This is OK by you?
We should just watch you say.
Russia bombs theatre where civilians sheltering - official
Here's the Ukrainian's downside, risk of hundreds of thousands of civilian casualties, which could also spread to more cities by Russian terror bombings and starving out the cities. Hadn't realized AP still had presence there to cover the currently ongoing horror:
apnews.com
'Why? Why? Why?' Ukraine's Mariupol descends into despair
MARIUPOL, Ukraine (AP) — The bodies of the children all lie here, dumped into this narrow trench hastily dug into the frozen earth of Mariupol to the constant drumbeat of shelling.
apnews.com
Republicans who said withholding aid from Ukraine was appropriate when Trump did it to blackmail Zelensky for illegal campaign help now attacking Biden for not helping Ukraine enough.
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