Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Grey_Beard

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but the point that counts is their content is generally valid and imho, fairly reliable.

How can you say that after countless posts here point out the discrepancies in what you have posted. Each time you say, “Oh well, it what I know is true.” It seems you have your entrenched point of view and you are reluctant to change.

Maybe you could start a thread with all your “facts” and stay out this one so we can continue to not be sidetracked by trying to help you see the truth.

I have tried not to put you on ignore, but it seems the best way to deal with you is exactly that. I funny thing about opinions, as you state this repeatedly, is that given data they change. I would not count your posts as opinion because they have be consistently repudiated and you are still dug in.
 

cytg111

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I realize they have a bias (might be hard if not to, if one actually was aware of the reality), but the point that counts is their content is generally valid and imho, fairly reliable. That's something you'd have to see for yourself.

It wouldn't surprise me that some of their field and front line footage is forwarded to them via FSB services.
You should not play Russian Roulette with semi automatics. Get better soon.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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You are exactly right, fortunately we have people already trained and available, people that have already willingly joined our military to serve our country.
Yes, to serve OUR country. Not Ukraine's country. The US entering Ukraine to fight Russia will initiate a global thermonuclear war. Nobody wins that.

Ukraine is probably going to wreck Russia's shit over the next week, no need for us to be involved there.
 
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fskimospy

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How can you say that after countless posts here point out the discrepancies in what you have posted. Each time you say, “Oh well, it what I know is true.” It seems you have your entrenched point of view and you are reluctant to change.

Maybe you could start a thread with all your “facts” and stay out this one so we can continue to not be sidetracked by trying to help you see the truth.

I have tried not to put you on ignore, but it seems the best way to deal with you is exactly that. I funny thing about opinions, as you state this repeatedly, is that given data they change. I would not count your posts as opinion because they have be consistently repudiated and you are still dug in.
If you'll notice he ignores any substantive criticism of his points and has entirely adopted the language of Russian propaganda. He calls Ukraine's democratically elected government the 'regime', he links directly to Russian propaganda sites, etc. Whatever the reason he's not interested in debate, he's just trying to keep pumping out Russian lies.
 

kage69

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So by your logic only those gung ho types should go over and fight.

Why would I want for ONLY those people to go? I'm simply saying that American volunteerism has been around a long time and you should probably not be irritated by it, or people suggesting the walk match the talk.

Gung ho is an admirable quality, I don't mean to make light of it. It just does more good in Ukraine than it does 'over here.' If you're going to advocate war I think it's only fair you be willing to share in the risk. Being ready to sacrifice the lives of your countrymen for something you yourself wouldn't fight for is a bad look.
 

cytg111

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Yes, to serve OUR country. Not Ukraine's country. The US entering Ukraine to fight Russia will initiate a global thermonuclear war. Nobody wins that.

Ukraine is probably going to wreck Russia's shit over the next week, no need for us to be involved there.
No it wont. I dont believe that for a second. (quarter second maybe...)
 

K1052

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Yes, to serve OUR country. Not Ukraine's country. The US entering Ukraine to fight Russia will initiate a global thermonuclear war. Nobody wins that.

Ukraine is probably going to wreck Russia's shit over the next week, no need for us to be involved there.

It might very well stay conventional but the risk is indeed too great.

I've got no problem at all opening the arsenals of NATO to Ukraine and providing them real time intel to act on.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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No it wont. I dont believe that for a second. (quarter second maybe...)
Really? The old irrational egotist dictator who thinks he cannot possibly lose won't deploy a nuclear weapon on his enemies? What makes you so confident of that?
 

Dave_5k

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Did Vlad lose 3,000 troops yesterday?


Numbers I saw yesterday said much lower.
Frankly, no one knows even close to an exact figure - not even the Russians. Too many fronts, too much indirect fire, and too many liars up and down the chain on both sides.

We do have a fairly accurate minimum count on the #'s of Russian vehicles lost however - on line experts reviewing video and picture evidence of unique kills and captures. This is undoubtedly a substantial undercount, as the public doesn't get decent video or photo evidence on every skirmish.

Link is regularly updated, at time of this post have visual evidence confirming 1351 Russian vehicles and equipment destroyed, abandoned or captured - including 228 tanks.
 

Amused

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I realize they have a bias (might be hard if not to, if one actually was aware of the reality), but the point that counts is their content is generally valid and imho, fairly reliable. That's something you'd have to see for yourself.

You realize nothing. You obviously have no critical thinking skills whatsoever.


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brycejones

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It's nice to see people stepping up, but I can't help but remember that they often closed the door to other refugees fleeing conflict.
Europeans are more willing to help other Europeans. Poland was pretty ruthless in shutting out refugees from various conflicts in Asia.
 

Dave_5k

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No it wont. I dont believe that for a second. (quarter second maybe...)
While I don't think Vladimir would go straight to global thermonuclear war, the Russians don't see nearly as sharp a divide between conventional and tactical nukes.

If NATO entered the war, there is real risk that Russia would see that as enough of an existential threat to quickly escalate to 5kt-10kt tactical nukes on US and NATO military bases in Europe - with objective of destroying majority of aviation and ground armor (all nicely stockpiled at military bases) with just a double handful of strikes, causing limited broader impacts, and demand the now largely declawed NATO in Europe to stand-down or face that strategic nuke threat.

While the West would have a very different view of the "limited" broader impacts from that tactical nukes usage.
 

K1052

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Some indications that faced with a potential flood of new weapons the Russians are stepping up their diplomacy, with their usual bullshit though.

As usual we will see.
 

cytg111

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While I don't think Vladimir would go straight to global thermonuclear war, the Russians don't see nearly as sharp a divide between conventional and tactical nukes.

If NATO entered the war, there is real risk that Russia would see that as enough of an existential threat to quickly escalate to 5kt-10kt tactical nukes on US and NATO military bases in Europe - with objective of destroying majority of aviation and ground armor (all nicely stockpiled at military bases) with just a double handful of strikes, causing limited broader impacts, and demand the now largely declawed NATO in Europe to stand-down or face that strategic nuke threat.

While the West would have a very different view of the "limited" broader impacts from that tactical nukes usage.
Sure. But all things considered… he should do that right now, specially right now with the way its going in Ukraine.
Nope. I dont buy it.
 

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How do some of the more complicated systems work for the handoff? IE, the missile defense systems that are likely all in English. How does one get trained on that during an active conflict quick enough for it to be effective? The logistics of the arms smuggling is one of the few "neat" parts of this whole disaster.
 
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