Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Grey_Beard

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The only way to stop this war is to kill more Russian soldiers.
The nuclear treat is an intimidation tactic just like the flood of videos depicting the Russian army's formidable armement.
It worked, Biden is scared to death and he said so himself.


What are we waiting for to bring together the forces needed to evict Putin?

Not sure the scared part is true. He has shown great resolve in arming the Ukrainian army. Just because he will not engage is not out of fear, but a rational thought process.
 

Muse

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Russia running out of data storage
And Russia's debt default (first in over 100 years, last was in 1918) as early as tomorrow (as link here had it, IIRC), won't help them dig their way out of the hole they've made for themselves.
 

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another russian newscaster decides to quit and leaves the country.
If they see a lot of strange news anchors it reinforces the idea that things are not as they seemed. I figure nobody in Russia with any awareness doubts that the country's in a very serious crisis now. Some may pretend otherwise.
 
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Apparently a lot of Russians fleeing are flying to Cancun and from there making their way to the US border to request asylum. If Russia wants to give up it's future to us we should make it easy.
There are many Russian refugees here from the 20th century. I imagine a lot of the new ones will have some gladness to be in America.

This song (Glad I'm not in Russia) is from an LP released in 1985 by Denver, CO band Angst:

 

Dave_5k

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If they see a lot of strange news anchors it reinforces the idea that things are not as they seemed. I figure nobody in Russia with any awareness doubts that the country's in a very serious crisis now. Some may pretend otherwise.
The loss of 4 major generals, which Russia couldn’t hide, likely has helped push this understanding. I’m sure many are fully aware that major generals typically command a division of 10,000 or so troops. And generals don’t lead charges from the front…

Losing 4 major generals in combat strongly implies having at least 4 divisions mauled badly, and also implies Russia is not controlling the battlefield.

Plus having many hundreds of illegally thrown into war, captive Russian conscripts phoning home to Mom spreads word broadly. In this case, that’s actually Russian law that was violated rather than international laws that Putin completely ignores. Putin was shocked, shocked at the news and “promised” Russian mothers to find the perpetrators.
 

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I'm kind of wondering when Vlad will have Donny offed for screwing up so bad.
He's too useful to be offed by Puti. His whole trip of obfuscation (and favoring everyone who does it) plays into Puti's agenda of weakening America.
 
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Quote redacted

Internet troll aiming for ignore lists? Nice start... :rolleyes:
 
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BoomerD

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Please stop wishing for millions to die due to cowardice.

Ukraine is accepting civilian volunteers to fight...have you booked YOUR flight yet? I mean...if it's so important to you that we do something...lead by example.
 
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Jaskalas

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Yeah because that is what he said.

It isn't going to be any other way. Ukraine was a nation of 44 million people. Probably closer to 40 now that 3 million have fled. Who knows how many have died, or are about to without food and water.

How many days, weeks, months of bombing highly populated cities do you think it'll take for Russia to kill millions?
Do not turn a blind eye to the GENOCIDE being committed.

We must attack Russian forces now and put an end to this.
 
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Leeea

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If Russia implodes and doesn't set off nukes, it fizzled like a dud piece of fireworks. Best case scenario.

The nukes are going to go off if Russia implodes. They scattered mobile nuke launchers all over the country when Putin put their nuclear forces on high alert a few weeks ago.

Your village just rebelled against the Putin regime, and you just obtained a Russian mobile nuke launcher when they came into town for lunch. You can end Kremlin oppression in less then 10 minutes. If you do nothing your village will be crushed next week with horrific war crimes. You remember that in Chechnya standard practice was the disappear all military age males and sell the females of suspect families to human traffickers.


How long are you going to wait to launch?
Do you try to negotiate? What do you do when the VDV tries to blitz your village?
What are your neighbors in the next village over going to do with their mobile nuke launcher?
 
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amd6502

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So known sources of propaganda are making claims and you give them credence? Find a CREDIBLE source.

I came across this account of a family evacuating in a car from the smaller city of Rubizhne and were gunned down by Azovs. The young woman's father is now dead. They're being interviewed in a hospital, some of them wounded. Had a Russian soldier not helped as they were pinned down by gunfire it could've went even worse for them.

Sadly this story is not unique. There are many such accounts and witnesses of the inhuman nature of the Nazi nationalists.

One reason the Nazis in WW2 were so inhumane is that many of them were meth addicts. Over time, Meth changes the stucture of the brain significantly, and in a very inhuman way. They loose any sense of compassion. I have more than a hunch that the same is happening here, and that there are many methheads within the Azov battalion, which is a big part of the reason these attrocities are being committed.
 
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rommelrommel

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I came across this account of a family evacuating in a car from the smaller city of Rubizhne and were gunned down by Azovs. The young woman's father is now dead. They're being interviewed in a hospital, some of them wounded. Had a Russian soldier not helped as they were pinned down by gunfire it could've went even worse for them.

Sadly this story is not unique. There are many such accounts and witnesses of the inhuman nature of the Nazi nationalists.

One reason the Nazis in WW2 were so inhumane is that many of them were meth addicts. Over time, Meth changes the stucture of the brain significantly, and in a very inhuman way. They loose any sense of compassion. I have more than a hunch that the same is happening here, and that there are many methheads within the Azov battalion, which is a big part of the reason these attrocities are being committed.

Da, good points comrade. Careful carrying this much water although, it may strain your back.
 

amd6502

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Da, good points comrade. Careful carrying this much water although, it may strain your back.

And volunteers who signed up thinking they would help the Ukranian people are being turned around at the border and told they must go back to fight for the regime (Effectively, holding foreign volunteers hostage). If they die in a horrible mess they become valuable assets for Zelensky regime propanda to export for their Western audience.

1. A volunteer firefighter.

2. A naive very young volunteer merc.
 
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esquared

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Da, good points comrade. Careful carrying this much water although, it may strain your back.
Is he fucking kidding???
He's linking to southfront org which is a mouthpiece for the russians FSB.
"South Front is loyally relaying whatever suits the Kremlin, pretending not to be Russian "


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In 2020, the US State Department described SouthFront as part of Russia's "disinformation and propaganda ecosystem," where Russian state actors team with others whose connection to Russia was less clear, in order to get wide attention for their ideas.[1]

In 2021 and again in 2022, the US Treasury announced sanctions against SouthFront, calling it in 2021 "an online disinformation site registered in Russia that...attempts to appeal to military enthusiasts, veterans, and conspiracy theorists, all while going to great lengths to hide its connections to Russian intelligence."[3][4]

The 2022 Treasury report alleged that SouthFront was sanctioned in part for being "owned or controlled by, or for having acted or purported to act for or on behalf of, directly or indirectly, the FSB" which is Russia's successor to Soviet Union's KGB.[4]

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amd6502

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I realize they have a bias (might be hard if not to, if one actually was aware of the reality), but the point that counts is their content is generally valid and imho, fairly reliable. That's something you'd have to see for yourself.

It wouldn't surprise me that some of their field and front line footage is forwarded to them via FSB services.
 
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cytg111

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If Russia implodes and doesn't set off nukes, it fizzled like a dud piece of fireworks. Best case scenario.
Indeed. Worst case scenario is China digs in as well. Worst case scenario is we’ve got
Russia, China, Belarus, Syria (who am i forgetting?)
vs.
NATO countries
On unaffiliated soil, Ukraine.

If that does not have the making of WW3 I dont know… To me its already here… or at least to the extent that you have to act like it is. Can it fizzle out. Sure. But…….
WW3 doesnt have to be nuclear armageddon. MAD. So conventional kinetics is the logical solve.
Poor fucking Ukraine, caught in the the middle.
But hey, Ukraine has decided to go out in a blaze if that is what it takes. And Ukraine wants us. Freedom. Democracy. And here we are doing nothing.
New doctrine is being written right now, how much can you push the kinetic envelope and still maintain MAD protection. And Putin is the only one moving pieces about the board.
Putin proactive
Nato reactive
Move hardware and boots into Ukraine… and if Putin starts shooting… shoot back. Nuclear armageddon 404 not found. Ill bet you 100 usd :):):):)
 
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Atari2600

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China won't dig in.

They may give the Russians some small value freebies, just to keep some rapport going, but this war does far more bad than good for them - and they definitely don't want to come out of it with them having alienated their main markets.

IMO Belarus doesn't really want to know either - they are caught between a rock and a hard place. They'd likely prefer this didn't happen - and its very possible at a high level they weren't even aware it was going to happen until it had happened, at which point they'd no real option but to keep their heads down.


To me, there are two big questions:
(1) Is Putin unstable enough to actually launch his nukes? Before this year I'd have said definitely no. Now however there is enough doubt in my mind I wouldn't be prepared to bet given the stakes.
(2) If Putin did give the order to launch - would the Russian military command refuse and remove him from power?

[Both above are on assumption of no attacks from NATO on Russian territory - excepting maybe Crimea. Any NATO attacks on Russian soil would probably bring us to the most critical point in human history - far beyond the Turkish Missile Crisis.]