Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

Page 264 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
85,710
51,000
136

woolfe9998

Lifer
Apr 8, 2013
16,189
14,114
136
I guess I'm just slow on the uptake but watching this, I think I'm only now really appreciating how terrible the ground is for what the Russians have brought to bare, in the worst time possible. I keep thinking of them getting attacked and running out of fuel, moving slowly through the mud...but really it's just the ground has flat out eaten so much of their armor, and they have no choice but to turn back.

wow. Just, all of that wiped out because of a 2 week delay! --and of course the clear lack of preparing for such contingencies, like uh, having a force that can actually roll through those single-lane conditions, or something. I dunno.

But damn, your invasion stopped by mud, wiping out your uh, military budget.

that has to sting

Like the Nazis who were thwarted by the freezing cold during Barbarossa, causing their equipment to freeze up, guns misfiring or not firing at all, vehicles not moving, etc. Such issues always affect the attacker/invader the most because they require mobility.

Remember what Vizzini said, never fight a land war in Asia. Well Ukraine is not in Asia but close enough.
 

Dave_5k

Golden Member
May 23, 2017
1,925
3,681
136
Yet another war crime documented. At this point, the war crimes Russia haven't repeatedly committed in Ukraine is approximately a null set. Appears that the Geneva Conventions are seen by Russia as a playbook of what to do, rather than a list of things to not do.
Also recorded taking a city mayor hostage today (another violation), besides the deliberate bombing of civilians & deliberate cutting off of food and supplies to cities, repeatedly documented pillaging, etc. All are war crimes, and basically demonstrates again that the UN and international conventions are entirely toothless in helping protect civilians or deterring war criminals like Putin and the Russian army.
 
  • Like
Reactions: KMFJD and dank69

sportage

Lifer
Feb 1, 2008
11,492
3,161
136
You're going to have to explain to me how Putin plans on doing this with about 1/3rd or 1/4th of the number of troops an occupation of that sort would require.

Lets hope that Putin fails but seriously, we are getting a lot of speculation out of Ukraine from the journalist and they don't really know and we don't really know and only Putin really knows the plan. Putin is the kind of dictator that will never give up until first spilling a lot of blood. It's the land that Putin wants, he doesn't care about the people or loyalty. The people are expendable.
No one really knows how this will end.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
85,710
51,000
136
Lets hope that Putin fails but seriously, we are getting a lot of speculation out of Ukraine from the journalist and they don't really know and we don't really know and only Putin really knows the plan. Putin is the kind of dictator that will never give up until first spilling a lot of blood. It's the land that Putin wants, he doesn't care about the people or loyalty. The people are expendable.
No one really knows how this will end.
Just saying the US military is far better trained and equipped than the Russian one and we had all we could handle with Iraq, a much smaller country where the average person was much more pleasantly disposed towards us. Maybe Russia can do it if they are brutal enough but I think it’s going to be very, very hard.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
Apr 8, 2013
16,189
14,114
136
So how does this end?

Ukraine isn’t giving shit to Russia in terms of concessions so does Russia just pull and say, my bad?

If that happens does the rest of the world then go back to normal and all or most sanctions get removed? That doesn’t seem like a good deal except for Russia.

I only see this ending in one way and that’s with Putin out of power, either because he steps down or because he is removed from within Russia itself. Until that happens, no sanctions should be removed.

Putin will not back down, not without any territorial concessions. If this goes on and on in a stalemate, with high Russian casualties, and Putin's position threatened because of it, I think he'll use chemical weapons. Gas a bunch of civilians. Then try to blame it on the US with a false story of US chemical weapons being in Ukraine. I believe he's already considering it, which is why he has planted the seed with the fake story of the US having chemical weapons there.

This then would not be good, to say the least. Not at all clear what the proper US response would be. But Biden has warned of even more severe sanctions, cutting off virtually all trade from Russia. Which would cause a total economic collapse in Russia, and probably ending Putin.

So it ultimately ends with Putin dead or out of power, after a lot more people are dead.
 

pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
13,674
8,578
136
Lets hope that Putin fails but seriously, we are getting a lot of speculation out of Ukraine from the journalist and they don't really know and we don't really know and only Putin really knows the plan. Putin is the kind of dictator that will never give up until first spilling a lot of blood. It's the land that Putin wants, he doesn't care about the people or loyalty. The people are expendable.
No one really knows how this will end.

I think we do know the logistical facts, though. Putin just doesn't have the forces needed to supress Ukraine, never mind invade all those other countries (though as it happens I've heard it said that he dreams of the boundaries of pre-1914 Russia, never mind the USSR - but dreams and ambitions are one thing, practical capacity is another).
The problem is there seems to be absolutely no way he can win, but it's also hard to see how he is removed. So is it going to be near-perpetual war?
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
59,303
13,914
136
Putin is not going to quit or be ran out of power. Putin envisions a Russia much like the Russia before the break-up. A Russia when Russia was the largest terrritory in the world. Putin wants his territory back.
Putin doesn't care if the Ukraine people willingly come along with the land because Putin would be just fine gassing them or using chemical weapons against the people of Ukraine, especially if those Ukrainian people are going to be a thorn in Putin's side down the road.

Putin does not want continued resistance once Putin takes Ukraine and the land becomes once again part of Russia. So if gassing the people is the only assurance, then Putin will indeed gas the people.
Putin is an old school KGB guy, he loves gas, poison, and toucher.

I expect this to be all over in a few weeks after Kiev falls. Once Kiev falls, all of the western journalist will be forcibly removed from Ukraine and all we will hear there after will be rumors.
Have you considered taking up crocheting and watching trivia shows instead of world news? I think it would do wonders for your mental health.
 

amenx

Diamond Member
Dec 17, 2004
4,107
2,379
136
^^^ Are you saying Bennet is pro-oppression and anti-freedom?
No not saying that (although a separate argument could be made for just that in his/Israels relationship with the Palestinians).. It simply illustrates how much value he places in Israels relationship with Russia. Which must be considerable given the current circumstances and at the risk of annoying the U.S.
 

trenchfoot

Lifer
Aug 5, 2000
14,984
7,500
136
It does seem that Putin's ill-begotten excursion into Ukraine is going to end the same way it ended for them in Afghanistan. Difference being the effects of the sanctions being levied on him, his fellow oligarchs and the effects of which the people of their nation will suffer from is going to hit progressively harder the longer the Ukrainians can put up a protracted guerilla war against the Russian invaders.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Number1

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
38,494
8,764
136
He seems a bit paranoid. Might be thinking a bullet is in his future.
The guy who coached me a bit when I took up quad street skating over 30 years ago said "there's a rock with your name on it out there." I figure there's a bullet with Putin's name on it out there. ;)
 

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
38,494
8,764
136
Not sure if it’s the specific video clip, but he does not look comfortable as some who is being told, “everything is going to plan” and we have told you “every day this week.” His fidgets are very noticeable.
I assume you're talking about Putin. I probably haven't seen the videos you're referring to but I have noticed and made note of and wondered considerably about Putin's fidgeting in videos I've seen the last few months, i.e. before the invasion. His body language has been concerning. He definitely doesn't look self possessed.