Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Zorba

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Much of the world is supporting Russia's attack on Europe.
And pledge their resources towards that end.

‘You have shown determination’: Malaysian PM praises Putin, pledges closer ties

Anwar, who is on two-day visit to Moscow, said it would be to Malaysia’s benefit if Russia shared its achievements and agreed to “collaborate in all fields of endeavour”. Both countries are discussing tie-ups ranging from aerospace and advanced technologies to agriculture and food security.
I really don't get how Russia has this much sway over other countries, when they should have as much influence as Italy. I'm guessing they are just really good at bullshiting.
 

kage69

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It's a mix of things. Russia has a long, storied history of giving weapons, money and political support to anyone who says they are struggling against the West, against America in particular. Sometimes it's legit fascist comradery, an underdog or new guy appealing to the Russians for help. Other times it's a crook with few options doing whatever they can to remain valuable and politically relevant to domestic power brokers.

Sometimes it's Kremlin withholding or upping the price of support for a range of purchased Russian weapons and vehicles. Sometimes it's the Kremlin courting political, rebel or criminal groups to pressure a country's current leadership. And let's not forget good ol blackmail, a la kompromat.

Moscow wants gold, dual use materials and PR successes. There will be assholes out there willing to help, see India.
 

trenchfoot

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Seems to me you couldn't have picked a worse source for making an argument. That guy is a nobody hack trying to make bank on sensationalism and lies.

Geeez guy, I'm embarrassed for you.
 
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kage69

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The extremist ruling party. The average Indian is too concerned with putting food on the table.

Yeah, I very much doubt those living in abject poverty care much about what is happening in Ukraine. Thing is, India has a lot of people and a middle class now.
 

RnR_au

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Thing is, India has a lot of people and a middle class now.
And 100's of thousands of millionaires.

Seems that Russia is slowly running out of men on the front line...

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The monthly toll exceeds their monthly intake. This explains perhaps several points;
  1. why mobilised soldiers from 2022 have had no rotation
  2. why injured soldiers are sent directly back to the front line
  3. why no counter attack have been observed in Kursk
  4. why foreign soldiers from Africa and other places have begun to appear in larger numbers
There are projections from some Russian observers that Russia will only be able to recruit something like 20k/month towards the end of the year. If so, Russia will have to do another mobilisation in spring next year.
 

RnR_au

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Seems Ukraine is happy to extend their operations in Kursk...
Russian sources about Kursk:
- Ukraine sent the 11th Brigade NGU to Kursk. This is a 2nd-line brigade, which means that Ukrainian troops are preparing defensive lines in depth.
- They also sent 49th Assault Engineer Brigade. This means that they will push further.

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Jaskalas

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Seems Ukraine is happy to extend their operations in Kursk...
They have a city to finish taking, and a large swath of land to finish sweeping south of a river.
Unless they breakout somewhere else, that should be the extent of Kursk.

Russia's counter attacks in that area have been weak thus far, because Russia pulled together a mess. A mass of men with enough arms to slow and or halt Ukrainian progress. Russian offensive units are mostly situated inside Ukraine and are not properly deployed or organized near Kursk just yet. As any such effort involves sacrificing thousands of men, hundreds of thousands of artillery, and thousands of glide bombs.

It'll take time for Russia to muster the resources to push Ukraine out.
Especially if Russia considers Ukraine contained in Kursk, and would rather maintain their resources for pushing deeper into Ukraine. As there is only so much Ukraine can take before suffering a moral blow.
 

Paratus

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Russia is focused on securing the east.

Once the east is secured, they launch a mop up operation in Kursk.

LOL @ Ukrainians thinking they will be able to prolong their stay on Russian territory.
But Russia doesn’t have borders so the Kursk area:
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cytg111

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Russia is focused on securing the east.

Once the east is secured, they launch a mop up operation in Kursk.

LOL @ Ukrainians thinking they will be able to prolong their stay on Russian territory.
But what if Trump loses? You guys are so overextended on every metric... If there is not a forced peace deal come Trump you are gonna have to properly mobilize.
 

Brovane

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Russia is focused on securing the east.

Once the east is secured, they launch a mop up operation in Kursk.

LOL @ Ukrainians thinking they will be able to prolong their stay on Russian territory.

So how long will it take Russia to secure the east and then get around to mop-uping the Ukrainians in Kursk?

Since you just want peace. Are you happy that Ukrainian soldiers are not raping, looting and murdering their way through Kursk?

A woman’s evacuation from her home in Russia shows how Ukraine is trying to differentiate its occupation from Moscow’s
 

Paratus

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I'm not sure it means much with a population pre conflict of 300
Probably not much. On the other hand if UK wants to end this war on their terms they have to be able to take and hold Russian soil while preventing Russia from taking theirs. Preferably they slowly begin to push Russia out while holding their own gains.
 

pmv

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I really don't get how Russia has this much sway over other countries, when they should have as much influence as Italy. I'm guessing they are just really good at bullshiting.

Other countries, and their ruling classes (which are not synonymous things) have their own self-interests to consider. Also can't help thinking some of the puzzlement at this is a result of America's lack of self-awareness as to how the rest of the world perceive them and how the US has behaved towards that outside world for much of its history.
 

kage69

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John Healey, the UK's new Defense Secretary, was on the ball Day 1. Pretty much immediately sent more help.

"As well as a quarter of a million rounds of .50 cal ammunition and 90 Brimstone anti-armour missiles, the new package also includes: 50 small military boats to support river and coastal operations; 40 demining vehicles; another 10 AS90 self-propelled guns; 61 bulldozers to help build defensive positions; and support for previously gifted AS90s, including 32 new barrels and critical spares to help Ukraine fire another 60,000 155 mm rounds."


Yesterday he was in Germany and announced Britain is sending Ukraine an additional 650 Martlet (LMM) missiles as part of their 2024 commitment to Ukrainian freedom. Sounds jolly good to me, you can put those things on anything. Brits have a scary attack drone that carries a pair of them, makes me wonder if AFU will use some of them in a similar fashion.
 

Zorba

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Other countries, and their ruling classes (which are not synonymous things) have their own self-interests to consider. Also can't help thinking some of the puzzlement at this is a result of America's lack of self-awareness as to how the rest of the world perceive them and how the US has behaved towards that outside world for much of its history.
Their only options aren't alliance with Russia or being the US lap dog. But the US is their third largest trading partner, nearly every top 25, non-asain trading partner is anti-russia. And Russia isn't even a top 25 partner. Further Russia shot down their 777 back in 2014 and always denied fault.

Even if Malaysia hates the US, I don't understand what's in it for them to get in bed with Russia who should have as much influence on the world stage as Italy or Greece. Not like Russia could replace the US and our allies as economic partners, just Malaysian exports to the US is about equivalent to 2% of the entire Russian GDP.

 
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bononos

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It's a mix of things. Russia has a long, storied history of giving weapons, money and political support to anyone who says they are struggling against the West, against America in particular. Sometimes it's legit fascist comradery, an underdog or new guy appealing to the Russians for help. Other times it's a crook with few options doing whatever they can to remain valuable and politically relevant to domestic power brokers.

Sometimes it's Kremlin withholding or upping the price of support for a range of purchased Russian weapons and vehicles. Sometimes it's the Kremlin courting political, rebel or criminal groups to pressure a country's current leadership. And let's not forget good ol blackmail, a la kompromat.

Moscow wants gold, dual use materials and PR successes. There will be assholes out there willing to help, see India.
Its more than just fascist comradery or blackmail. Mexico isn't North Korea or an asshole like Modi's India but it has long ties with Russia and the Mexican president said that he is against sanctions despite siding with Ukraine in the UN GA vote, and invited Putin to attend the inauguration of the new president in October. Non-aligned countries are against one sided trade agreements like the TPPA which they were sort of boxed into signing without being able to get some favorable exemptions which some western countries were able to get.
This is also the blowback from the debacles in the middle east and the ongoing genocide in Gaza.
 

bononos

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Their only options aren't alliance with Russia or being the US lap dog. But the US is their third largest trading partner, nearly every top 25, non-asain trading partner is anti-russia. And Russia isn't even a top 25 partner. Further Russia shot down their 777 back in 2014 and always denied fault.

Even if Malaysia hates the US, I don't understand what's in it for them to get in bed with Russia who should have as much influence on the world stage as Italy or Greece. Not like Russia could replace the US and our allies as economic partners, just Malaysian exports to the US is about equivalent to 2% of the entire Russian GDP.

Its about optics for the Malaysian PM trying to win votes for his shaky govt. Thailand/Malaysia/Indonesia have invited Putin despite being at least somewhat close allies of the west. And as I said they are seeking a better arrangement than the current status quo so they have signed on to BRICS even if the the bloc has serious issues and might be a non-starter.
 

Jaskalas

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I'm not sure it means much with a population pre conflict of 300
When frontline positions are lost, Ukrainian territory goes with it.
As was the case for Avdiivka, the movement of the frontline can be rapid and difficult to contain after losing a hardened position.

Then, instead of a well established position being carpet bombed, now it'll be the next town, the next city. More people's homes and lives forever shattered and lost.

It isn't that Vuhledar and Vodiane were large. They were the shields that guarded Ukrainians from a worse fate. Do not mock that.