Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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kage69

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Putin's got Wagner back in Venezuela, no doubt to help Maduro stay in power after losing the election. Can't let things get Ceaușescu-esque.

Venezuelans need to take a cue from those Tauregs. Killing Wagner mercs needs to be a popular pastime across the globe.
 
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You know just this weekend Trump praised Putin again at a rally. It occurred to me that if Trump loves Russia (and Putin) to such a degree he should just move to Russia. Then he could get drafted to fight for the really smart move Putin made in invading Ukraine; and being the best at everything he could demonstrate how to be a real soldier while he pees in his pants. Of course all good things can come to and end and when he dies he can demonstrate a good death as he craps in his pants. I mean really what a shithole.
 

you2

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This article is an interesting read:

The part i find amusing is that even back in the 1980's Russia couldn't make any soft of sophisticated processor. I speculate this is in part due to their constant killing and imprisonment of top scientists. There was a time further back when Russia actually did lead the technology world - or at least the world of science.

Of course Putin loves to claim Russia has the best of everything but then a little 2 day police action demonstrate their equipment is 3rd rate against out-dated western equipment. Oh well - there is a sad part to this post - the west wasted trillions of dollars producing advance weapons that isn't needed to fight Russia crap - they could have stuck with 20 year old designs and still whip Russia to a bloody pulp.
 

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Nothing sad about investing in miltech as there are other not so technologically retarded nations that would pose a threat
 
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zinfamous

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Putin's got Wagner back in Venezuela, no doubt to help him stay in power after losing the election. Can't let things get Ceaușescu-esque.

Venezuelans need to take a cue from those Tauregs. Killing Wagner mercs needs to be a popular pastime across the globe.
I know this sounds really stupid, but don't we/NATO have something like an actual DELTA Force that can maybe act generally outside the boundaries of international law, and just be used to go in and wreck the everloving fuck out of those fucking Wagner cvnts wherever they appear?

I'm sure that even the Swiss wouldn't fucking care.
 
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Cargo ship spotted at Russian gas terminal under US sanctions


"But satellite imagery shows a vessel roughly 280 metres long — about the length of a typical LNG carrier — docked at the Arctic LNG 2 on August 1. The image also shows flaring at the facility, pointing towards a renewed activity at the site.

“The vessel is an LNG carrier, and the flaring indicates a restarting of activities” at Arctic LNG 2, said Mehdy Touil, an LNG lead specialist at Calypso Commodities, a software company specialising in the LNG industry.""

^^^ One more indication that sanctions, while slow to develop and full of loopholes, are nevertheless taking a toll.
 

K1052

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Another area where sanctions are probably taking a toll:


Labor shortages and the fact that they can't just buy off the shelf locomotives from say China due to gauge likely causing big problems.

There is probably a massive and increasing debt of deferred maintenance on basically everything in the country that's going to rear its head sooner or later. If their railway system starts having major disruptions it will be chaos over there because they depend on it for everything. Also makes it a ripe target for the Ukrainians.
 
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kage69

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I know this sounds really stupid, but don't we/NATO have something like an actual DELTA Force that can maybe act generally outside the boundaries of international law, and just be used to go in and wreck the everloving fuck out of those fucking Wagner cvnts wherever they appear?

I'm sure that even the Swiss wouldn't fucking care.

Not stupid at all, happens a lot. That's where CIA and contractors/3rd party assets usually come in. Doesn't have to be direct violence (though it often is) you just make life difficult for them whenever possible, then let others do the heavy lifting. Maybe send those people some nice tools. This is essentially what happened in Mali. Western SIGINT found out the new Malian leadership wanted Wagner to perform one of their classic "make this settlement go away" routines. This was likely communicated to both the French and the Ukrainians who then supplied and advised the Tauregs on how best to snuff out a trained force with armored vehicles and air cover. The French don't want Russia interfering with their historic interests in Africa, and the AFU doesn't want Wagner stealing/earning money to send home to the Kremlin.

I feel it's only a matter of time before their little surge in Africa does a 180, I think the turn's already started actually. Consider various rebel groups and their surprisingly modern weapons and tactics, then Wagner's own regional PR via mass rape and beheadings. Now add in American and Ukrainian determination to see Russia lose on all fronts, also France's predilection for using assassination and the Foreign Legion to protect it's African interests. And all of this is happening while Russia is going broke and running out of everything.
 
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you2

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Labor shortages and the fact that they can't just buy off the shelf locomotives from say China due to gauge likely causing big problems.

There is probably a massive and increasing debt of deferred maintenance on basically everything in the country that's going to rear its head sooner or later. If their railway system starts having major disruptions it will be chaos over there because they depend on it for everything. Also makes it a ripe target for the Ukrainians.
Now that would be interesting if Ukraine had the ability to blow up a few locamotives. Very specific moving target but if they could destroy 20 or 30 of those things would be really interesting in Russia.
 

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Now that would be interesting if Ukraine had the ability to blow up a few locamotives. Very specific moving target but if they could destroy 20 or 30 of those things would be really interesting in Russia.

No mystery where their shops and layover areas are. The traction power system also has been getting attacked periodically.
 

kage69

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Now that would be interesting if Ukraine had the ability to blow up a few locamotives. Very specific moving target but if they could destroy 20 or 30 of those things would be really interesting in Russia.

Russian rail infrastructure depends on people as much as machines. I'd like to see the SBU and GUR arrange some unpleasantness for the railway troops Russia has. Tracks are notoriously easy and quick to repair, and when you've got 30k guys who do nothing but focus on railway security and uptime, serious issues get addressed very quickly.

So their leadership needs to start having accidents. Key assets for their job should go boom. The crews doing the inspections and repairs need to start receiving the full mobiki experience. Mines everywhere, drones up the ass.
 
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Yeah, I was gonna say CIA. They've done a lot of that stuff since the 50s all over the world. Lots of rumors about South America.

CIA (US) vs Wagner (RU) could get messy though.
 

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Yeah, I was gonna say CIA. They've done a lot of that stuff since the 50s all over the world. Lots of rumors about South America.

CIA (US) vs Wagner (RU) could get messy though.
Not a fair comparison; CIA are spies with singular assignations; Wagner is a mercenary army - now it is true that CIA have hired mercenary and similar but CIA directly.... it is like a knife vs a hammer; no matter how strong the knife is - it will still be dulled by the hammer.
 

kage69

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Both pull from former special forces, so there's that. Bad match up though, they don't even have similar roles. The CIA has the budget of, and pulls talent from, the world's preeminent military super power. A real one. CIA is tasked with defending America and Americans abroad, it doesn't hire itself out to supplement the Pentagon, it's not an errand boy. They prefer doing the coups abroad too, rather than at home.


US vs Wagner would be messy though, as the Battle of Khasham showed everyone, particulary Wagner. I doubt we'll be seeing a repeat. They'd much rather beat up on and rape African civilians than fight Americans again. It's no fun getting turned into BBQ'd chutney.
 
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That's not really the kind of messy I was thinking of. Like maybe Big Red Button messy. The Day After messy.

Silly Putty could see it as that direct threat he's been looking for.
 

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Another area where sanctions are probably taking a toll:

The usual Russian pattern... there are no problems here. Everything is working perfectly... until its not...

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There are reports of 50% of missiles from North Korea not working right for the Russians. Seems they have been using ball bearings from Toyota's rather than much high spec components. What if the Russian railways have been substituting similar low performance bearings for where much higher performance is needed?

Everything looks awesome... until it doesn't.
 
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Somebody upthread mentioned gauge and I think I remember hearing a long time back that they made their rail system to a unique, non standard gauge. If that's true, they can't just buy, beg, borrow or steal rail cars and locomotives from anywhere else.
 

cytg111

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Actually they would care but if you want an action of this nature you should be voting for Trump who would gladly ignore international law...
Well as astate sponsor of terror and Wagner being Wagner, I am sure there is some legal wiggle room to navigate... Put bounties on their individual heads?
 

zinfamous

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That's not really the kind of messy I was thinking of. Like maybe Big Red Button messy. The Day After messy.

Silly Putty could see it as that direct threat he's been looking for.

They wouldn't be mercenaries if it could ever get that messy--it's really the point and why I wonder why we don't just go out and wipe out those fuckers everywhere they are. Putin is only ever posturing with them, just wondering how much the West will take of his little terrorism operations throughout the world.

They aren't the Russian army, so it's a pretty clear statement that he isn't looking for war--just daring anyone else to stop him. Because he really won't respond. Fuck...he barely responded to them when half of them tried to end his leadership.
 

Leeea

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That's not really the kind of messy I was thinking of. Like maybe Big Red Button messy. The Day After messy.

Silly Putty could see it as that direct threat he's been looking for.
I wouldn't worry about it.

Everyone, including Putin, knows Wagner mercenaries are not actually human.

nobody cared about Wagner.

More people cared about the Syrian militia that were with Wagner then they cared about Wagner.


The Air force was only ever allowed to go completely unrestricted on two targets in Syria. ISIS and Wagner.
 
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