It’s a crumbling empire, and they’re desperately trying to save it by ‘attempting’ to weaken their top competitors like Russia by using Ukraine as a proxy.
I disagree, actually. The Empire has reached its extension limits without question. Iraq and Afghanistan proved how all the might of the American Army just weren't enough to change the world their way anymore.
Iraq went to become the bedrock of islamic terrorism and Afghanistan just went back to the Taliban in a matter of 3 days, as if the whole 20 year affair was a strange dream.
But I don't think they're taking Ukraine out of a conscious attempt. I think the Empire runs on a mindless creel of multiple agents that people collectively call the Deep State, but really, there's nobody in the pilot seat anymore. Not Joe, not the one before Joe, possibly nobody's been really leading the thing since the 60s and JFK ate a bullet for trying to do what Eisenhower didn't dare try.
I think they took Ukraine because...because whoever at the CIA had that as the next post-it taped to his monitor. There's nobody realising what they're doing, they're just doing whatever they're paid for, and as always with administrations, including unofficial ones, you're paid to do a job, and the more of that job you do, the more your job is considered important. The more wars, the more army, the more conflicts, the more CIA/NSA/agencies, etc.
In my mind the U.S Empire is literally a mindless hydra eating what it sees and understanding less and less why it does it every year. It's not like the policies have changed since the 1980s.
Unfortunately the majority of the brainwashed and propagandized posters in this thread think this war is about ‘democracy’ and ‘territorial sovereignty’, because that’s what people on the television set told them.
Well, when people start believing that extending the imperial military arm that is NATO is a sign of "territorial sovereignty", they'll believe anything.
Here, just earlier, someone was going "the U.S is not an Empire, because we do good things. China or Russia are Empires because they do bad things".
I'm sure the Iraqis, Ukrainians, Germans, and whoever else has to be sacrificed will fully agree and love to be under imperial control.
-Sanctions will cripple of the Russian economy
The scariest part to me is that all these milifans who diddle themselves on how big their weapons are or how advanced their systems are or how fat the tonnage of the american navy is, do not pay any mind to how utterly self destructive kicking Russia out of the dollar and out of SWIFT is.
When you are a falling empire, the ONE THING you want to absolutely not do is wrap your jaws around someone's head, say very loudly "LOOK AT WHAT I CAN DO", bite down on them, and then they go "well, that wasn't too bad". Nothing says Paper Tiger harder than that.
"We will kick Russia out of the dollar and their economy will be WRECKED!!!!!"
Russia's still up and running 2 years later.
"We will kick Russia out of SWIFT and they won't be able to do any international payments!!!!!"
SWIFT was built decades ago. Russia replaced it with a jerry rigged homemade SWIFT in a matter of weeks.
This is the quickest, most complete admission of your actual weakness that I've seen in forever. It's Suez Canal Crisis Britain tier.
-Russians blew up their own pipeline
Ah yes that one is always hilarious too.
Imagine that your neighbor wants to buy your water, so you extend your hose all the way to his garden.
Then you have a disagreement, so you:
A) turn off the faucet at your house
B) ignore the disagreement and just keep the water running, he's still paying after all
C) go to his garden and BLOW UP THE HOSE (and probably make a bunch of funny orc noises and jump around screaming)
Clearly, of course, without question or any doubt left, it's C. Because Putin is crazy you see. That's the perfect explanation for everything. You don't need to provide motive or justifications: the foe is crazy. That's the reason for anything, he has no reason to do things because he's crazy. It's very sad that since 2000s that he was in power, we never noticed he was crazy. Did you see when Carlson went to interview him, how he was unhinged, took off his clothes, started jumping around making WOOOO WOOO WOOO AWOOOOOOOOGA noises, downing an entire Vodka bottle before rolling on the floor while pissing his pants? Clearly, the man's mad.
-Russians saying it would be a 3 day war(it was in fact Gen Milley who said that)
I do think Putin expected it to be shorter, he didn't think the americans would be this crazy or silly. He thought a show of force would prove intent, before realising too late that it wouldn't happen.
Also he trusted a Brit with an unsigned agreement. Silly Vladdy.
-Pensioner shot down Russian jet with shotgun(LOL)
While playing Battlefield 1942 main theme and humming it to the words "Slava Ukraini".
-Ukraine counteroffensive will be successful!(LOL)
I mean, proxy wars aren't new.
The sheer arrogance of thinking that a proxy war with weapons supply would suffice against a 4/1 demographics differential, vs an industrialised nation that still retains technological and military independence.
Proxy vs Proxy can work. Not vs an actual power. Which they somehow deluded themselves into thinking that Russia wasn't.
-Ghost of Kiev(LOL)
Those are things just off the top of my head, although I’m sure once Ukraine capitulates, someone will have a more thorough list.
The typical Hero, you need one every war.
If you don't have one, just invent him.
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