Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Young Grasshopper

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I am going to let you in on a little secret.


Wars? They never end soon.



For example, a while back, a Russia started a war in Ukraine that was supposed to last 3 days. Yea. 3 day war. What is this now, day 600?

Once upon a time the USA started a war in Iraq then declared mission accomplished six weeks later. The US is still fighting in Iraq.

Or the Syrian civil war, that was supposed to be over in what, a month or two? And that started 2011? 2023, no end in sight, although most of the factions had settled down to internal murder at the moment. ISIS is making a resurgence though in Assad held areas.




The one thing I can absolutely guarantee you, without any shadow of a doubt, is this thread will be going this time next year.


You forgot to mention the key difference between those wars and this one. We had a vested interest in those wars in the form of boots on the ground. In this one, we do not.

We also now know according to the biggest cheerleaders to keep this war going, CNN, that the majority of people in this country are now opposed to sending more aid. Looks like you guys are now in the minority now huh?

Once the cold/rain/mud season kicks in which is very soon, the current lines will freeze again and Russia will double down on building their defenses. They might even launch their own offensive.

Good luck on getting continued funding next years with article after article stating we’re out of munitions, public support for continued funding eroding , Zelensky wasting resources in Bahkmut, China getting closer and closer to invading Taiwan, and now the Africa problem with their puppet president getting overthrown, not to mention election season next year.

Sorry boys, but after spending $100 billion and having nothing to show for it, I have a hard time believing the establishment will fund another $100 billion next year only to see the Ukrainians squander it away on luxury cars and real estate in Spain.

In other words, when you have China knocking on Taiwans door, which is a MAJOR threat to our semiconductor security, this war just isn’t going to be a priority anymore. Too many other issues to deal with, and that is why IMO you’re now starting to read all of these articles from establishment media NOW stating the truth on the war, that Ukraine is losing. It’s all a ploy to soften the landing for you guys.
 

fskimospy

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You forgot to mention the key difference between those wars and this one. We had a vested interest in those wars in the form of boots on the ground. In this one, we do not.

We also now know according to the biggest cheerleaders to keep this war going, CNN, that the majority of people in this country are now opposed to sending more aid. Looks like you guys are now in the minority now huh?

Once the cold/rain/mud season kicks in which is very soon, the current lines will freeze again and Russia will double down on building their defenses. They might even launch their own offensive.

Good luck on getting continued funding next years with article after article stating we’re out of munitions, public support for continued funding eroding , Zelensky wasting resources in Bahkmut, China getting closer and closer to invading Taiwan, and now the Africa problem with their puppet president getting overthrown, not to mention election season next year.

Sorry boys, but after spending $100 billion and having nothing to show for it, I have a hard time believing the establishment will fund another $100 billion next year only to see the Ukrainians squander it away on luxury cars and real estate in Spain.

In other words, when you have China knocking on Taiwans door, which is a MAJOR threat to our semiconductor security, this war just isn’t going to be a priority anymore. Too many other issues to deal with, and that is why IMO you’re now starting to read all of these articles from establishment media NOW stating the truth on the war, that Ukraine is losing. It’s all a ploy to soften the landing for you guys.
At this point it’s clear that you’re just lying because you’ve been repeatedly informed that Ukraine has destroyed the best units of the Russian army with our old equipment we were going to scrap anyway.

As someone who is against invasions this must make you happy. Can you confirm?
 

Perknose

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You forgot to mention the key difference between those wars and this one. We had a vested interest in those wars in the form of boots on the ground. In this one, we do not.

We also now know according to the biggest cheerleaders to keep this war going, CNN, that the majority of people in this country are now opposed to sending more aid. Looks like you guys are now in the minority now huh?

Once the cold/rain/mud season kicks in which is very soon, the current lines will freeze again and Russia will double down on building their defenses. They might even launch their own offensive.

Good luck on getting continued funding next years with article after article stating we’re out of munitions, public support for continued funding eroding , Zelensky wasting resources in Bahkmut, China getting closer and closer to invading Taiwan, and now the Africa problem with their puppet president getting overthrown, not to mention election season next year.

Sorry boys, but after spending $100 billion and having nothing to show for it, I have a hard time believing the establishment will fund another $100 billion next year only to see the Ukrainians squander it away on luxury cars and real estate in Spain.

In other words, when you have China knocking on Taiwans door, which is a MAJOR threat to our semiconductor security, this war just isn’t going to be a priority anymore. Too many other issues to deal with, and that is why IMO you’re now starting to read all of these articles from establishment media NOW stating the truth on the war, that Ukraine is losing. It’s all a ploy to soften the landing for you guys.
Who are you?

And why do you stand so gleefully with the barbaric oppressor here -- the bully who invaded a sovereign nation and tried his best to lay waste to their cities, their towns, their institutions, their young in the pursuit of some tragically outmoded dreams of Russian empire?

Surely Mr. Ethical Leftist, you're not in favor of the reimpostion by military might of any nationalistic empire, amIrite?

Please note . . . bud . . . that the transparency and truth with which you respond and tell us who you are* will contribute to us allowing you to continue posting here. Free speech is one thing. Paid socio-political hakery is another.

So, freind . . .

Who are you?


*What you believe and, no bullshit, why.
 

Brovane

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Opinion from the WSJ. Does the Biden Administration really full appreciate what is necessary to beat Russia in Ukraine? A stalemate in Ukraine going into the 2024 election could be costly for the Democrats. The US public has a short attention span.

The latest fiasco is F-16 fighter jets. The Ukrainians are trying to fight a combined-arms campaign like a Western military would—but without the air power NATO forces rely on. Mr. Biden dithered for a year before approving training for Ukrainian pilots in May. The training is only now getting started.

. . . But Growing Risks in Ukraine

Mr. Biden doesn’t seem to appreciate what a stalemate or worse might cost the U.S. strategically, and himself politically. The Ukrainian spirit of resistance ranks with London in the Blitz, but it needs continuing Western support to keep up the fight. Mr. Putin’s bet is that he can wait out the West and eventually strike a “peace” accord on his terms.
 
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Jaskalas

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I wonder if it has occurred to the Russians what the SBU is going to do to them once they don't have to worry about US/Euro sensibilities in order to maintain arms supplies.
Russians have no intention of being alive to see it.
They want this war to be kill or be killed.

In fact, they endorse Genocide for the entirety of Europe. The whole continent down to the last man, woman, and child. They will cleanse the earth of "Nazis".

Russian soldier admits proudly his comrades were killing POWs

“Why should we take captive?” Antipov says. “It is war. There was a war in 1945. Those nazis remained in Germany. This generation in Western Europe is totally against Russia. It is necessary to uproot them in their entirety.”
 
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Zor Prime

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Opinion from the WSJ. Does the Biden Administration really full appreciate what is necessary to beat Russia in Ukraine? A stalemate in Ukraine going into the 2024 election could be costly for the Democrats. The US public has a short attention span.

The latest fiasco is F-16 fighter jets. The Ukrainians are trying to fight a combined-arms campaign like a Western military would—but without the air power NATO forces rely on. Mr. Biden dithered for a year before approving training for Ukrainian pilots in May. The training is only now getting started.

. . . But Growing Risks in Ukraine

Mr. Biden doesn’t seem to appreciate what a stalemate or worse might cost the U.S. strategically, and himself politically. The Ukrainian spirit of resistance ranks with London in the Blitz, but it needs continuing Western support to keep up the fight. Mr. Putin’s bet is that he can wait out the West and eventually strike a “peace” accord on his terms.
Not looking wonderful with The Washington Post releasing this article today titled "Ukraine running out of options to retake significant territory" as well. It looks like Young Grasshopper wrote it.
 
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Not looking wonderful with The Washington Post releasing this article today titled "Ukraine running out of options to retake significant territory" as well. It looks like Young Grasshopper wrote it.
If they did a Republican opinion peace, then it'd make perfect sense that it sounds like the Kremlin.

Of course Ukraine is not conducting a lighting offensive when fighting an opponent 5x their size, without air power, against heavily fortified and extremely mined defenses. NATO has never fought this scenario, and has no practical knowledge or experience for how Ukraine needs to get this done with several hands tied behind their back. That Ukraine makes any progress at all is a testament to their long term victory. I just don't know how long they can sustain the push.

This IS a war of attrition against Russia, and I do not like the odds of us betraying Europe.
 

kage69

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You forgot to mention the key difference between those wars and this one. We had a vested interest in those wars in the form of boots on the ground. In this one, we do not.

We also now know according to the biggest cheerleaders to keep this war going, CNN, that the majority of people in this country are now opposed to sending more aid. Looks like you guys are now in the minority now huh?

Once the cold/rain/mud season kicks in which is very soon, the current lines will freeze again and Russia will double down on building their defenses. They might even launch their own offensive.

Good luck on getting continued funding next years with article after article stating we’re out of munitions, public support for continued funding eroding , Zelensky wasting resources in Bahkmut, China getting closer and closer to invading Taiwan, and now the Africa problem with their puppet president getting overthrown, not to mention election season next year.

Sorry boys, but after spending $100 billion and having nothing to show for it, I have a hard time believing the establishment will fund another $100 billion next year only to see the Ukrainians squander it away on luxury cars and real estate in Spain.

In other words, when you have China knocking on Taiwans door, which is a MAJOR threat to our semiconductor security, this war just isn’t going to be a priority anymore. Too many other issues to deal with, and that is why IMO you’re now starting to read all of these articles from establishment media NOW stating the truth on the war, that Ukraine is losing. It’s all a ploy to soften the landing for you guys.

America has a vested interest in not letting fascists ruin Europe again, also in preventing Russia's agenda of expansion that would lead to WWIII. This has been explained to you dozens of times so far.

It doesn't matter what you believe; you lie constantly, lack basic comprehension skills and seem to possess zero understanding of both foreign policy and foreign history. Which is weird, because you clearly aren't an American. Your grasp on what the West can do is positively Russian, so funny. Your role isn't to dispense knowledge here - you don't have any. Your role here is as a posterchild for what happens when intellectual bankruptcy meets fascist adoration.

Ukraine losing? LOL Tell that to the Russians who just ran from Robotyne, confirmed by Russian MoD, which I guess is establishment media to you now? Fuck you're sad. AUF is advancing on Tokmak, they aren't the ones retreating. Hey grasshopper, how'd you get so fucking stupid? What color is the sky in the world you live in? Are foreign substances required for you to manage this level of fiction, or are you an all natural kind of tankie?
 
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Zor Prime

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This IS a war of attrition against Russia, and I do not like the odds of us betraying Europe.
We're going to throw Ukraine to the wolves the moment politicians find it advantageous for their polling numbers.

I hope I'm wrong.
 

cytg111

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You forgot to mention the key difference between those wars and this one. We had a vested interest in those wars in the form of boots on the ground. In this one, we do not.

We also now know according to the biggest cheerleaders to keep this war going, CNN, that the majority of people in this country are now opposed to sending more aid. Looks like you guys are now in the minority now huh?

Once the cold/rain/mud season kicks in which is very soon, the current lines will freeze again and Russia will double down on building their defenses. They might even launch their own offensive.

Good luck on getting continued funding next years with article after article stating we’re out of munitions, public support for continued funding eroding , Zelensky wasting resources in Bahkmut, China getting closer and closer to invading Taiwan, and now the Africa problem with their puppet president getting overthrown, not to mention election season next year.

Sorry boys, but after spending $100 billion and having nothing to show for it, I have a hard time believing the establishment will fund another $100 billion next year only to see the Ukrainians squander it away on luxury cars and real estate in Spain.

In other words, when you have China knocking on Taiwans door, which is a MAJOR threat to our semiconductor security, this war just isn’t going to be a priority anymore. Too many other issues to deal with, and that is why IMO you’re now starting to read all of these articles from establishment media NOW stating the truth on the war, that Ukraine is losing. It’s all a ploy to soften the landing for you guys.

Western resolve is really coming together and gloves are coming off with the F-16s. SUCKS TO BE MOSCOW.

This is for you, set to last 5 seconds.


It's no longer a question of *if* Russia is gonna lose it's when, and how much damage it's willing to take before defeat ... OR go nuclear and we all go. Lets go fuckers.
 
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kage69

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We're going to throw Ukraine to the wolves the moment politicians find it advantageous for their polling numbers.

I hope I'm wrong.

That sounds like something the repugs would do; making a clear cut national security issue a matter of public opinion. I think we know what the Dems would do because they've been doing it.

Thankfully, due to rational Americans still outnumbering christofascists who hate democracy, that scenario shouldn't happen. Even if it did, like I've said before the Ukrainian war is in no way completely dependent on the US. Pretty much all of Europe has no intention of letting the return of fascist imperialism fuck over their continent again. The closer you get to the Russian border, the stronger this belief is - and that was before the Russians started raping children, torturing parents, then putting them all in mass graves.
 
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