Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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fskimospy

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If the NYT story on casualties is correct Russia is coming up on 120% of the casualties the US sustained in the entirety of the Vietnam war. Or 5-6 times the losses the USSR suffered in Afghanistan.

In a year and a half. So far.
Where are they getting the idea that Russia has 1.3 million troops in Ukraine? That seems dramatically higher than any estimate I’ve seen.
 
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fskimospy

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Thats total active duty, not total deployed in Ukraine.
Right - not sure why the article mislabeled them as being on the battlefield when they are very obviously not.

It also makes a similar mistake later where it says another wave of Russian mobilization could quickly overwhelm Ukraine’s manpower reserves with huge numbers of troops. No, it can’t. From a sheer population perspective both countries can keep up these rates of losses for a very long time.
 
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K1052

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Right - not sure why the article mislabeled them as being on the battlefield when they are very obviously not.

It also makes a similar mistake later where it says another wave of Russian mobilization could quickly overwhelm Ukraine’s manpower reserves with huge numbers of troops. No, it can’t. From a sheer population perspective both countries can keep up these rates of losses for a very long time.

Russian mobilization never really ended either. That's the only way they can refill decimated units.

The bill to hold on to Donbas and southern Ukraine, which has just been made economically unproductive by blowing up the dam, is shockingly high for the Russians and climbing. All for something with little to no military or economic value for them.
 
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If the NYT story on casualties is correct Russia is coming up on 120% of the casualties the US sustained in the entirety of the Vietnam war. Or 5-6 times the losses the USSR suffered in Afghanistan.

In a year and a half. So far.

It’s not correct at all.


In other news:


The U.S. intelligence community assesses that Ukraine’s counteroffensive will fail to reach the key southeastern city of Melitopol, people familiar with the classified forecast told The Washington Post, a finding that, should it prove correct, would mean Kyiv won’t fulfill its principal objective of severing Russia’s land bridge to Crimea in this year’s push.

The new intelligence assessment aligns with a secret U.S. forecast from February indicating that shortfalls in equipment and force strength may mean that the counteroffensive will fall “well short” of Ukraine’s goal to sever the land bridge to Crimea by August. The assessment, detailed in a classified document leaked onto the social media app Discord, identified Melitopol or Mariupol as the objectives “to deny Russian overland access to Crimea.”

So the government knew this was going to be a failure way back in February, but continued to lie about it anyway. And you guys fell for it. This is why you shouldn’t trust mainstream media and should do your own research.
 
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fskimospy

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It’s not correct at all.


In other news:




So the government knew this was going to be a failure way back in February, but continued to lie about it anyway. And you guys fell for it. This is why you shouldn’t trust mainstream media and should do your own research.
You’re right - I suspect Russian casualties are even worse.

As a lover of peace I’m sure you’re happy about this like the rest of us. Every dead orc in Ukraine is an orc that can’t invade Russia’s next target of aggression.
 

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Issues with the Ukrainian pace of advance stem from IMO:

1) Slow supply of vehicles, munitions, and demining gear.
2) Endorsement of strategies that we ourselves would never undertake while withholding the entirely conventional weapons that could make them successful.
3) Russians mounting a credible, if highly problematic and costly, defense.
4) Expectations. This was always likely to look more like Kherson than Kharkiv.

The current strategy may yet be successful or it may not. The US certainly could tip things in their favor quickly if we further adjusted what munitions we'd supply.
 
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Issues with the Ukrainian pace of advance stem from IMO:

1) Slow supply of vehicles, munitions, and demining gear.
2) Endorsement of strategies that we ourselves would never undertake while withholding the entirely conventional weapons that could make them successful.
3) Russians mounting a credible, if highly problematic and costly, defense.
4) Expectations. This was always likely to look more like Kherson than Kharkiv.

The current strategy may yet be successful or it may not. The US certainly could tip things in their favor quickly if we further adjusted what munitions we'd supply.


We have given Ukraine nearly double the amount the ENTIRE Russian military spends in one year, but somehow that isn’t enough?

And yet Biden wants to spend another $24 billion…meanwhile the US citizens of Maui get a $700 check for their troubles. Thanks Biden.

You can’t make this stuff up.
 

fskimospy

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We have given Ukraine nearly double the amount the ENTIRE Russian military spends in one year, but somehow that isn’t enough?

And yet Biden wants to spend another $24 billion…meanwhile the residents of Maui get a $700 check. Thanks Biden.

You can’t make this stuff up.
Lol - after all this time you lack this basic understanding? Guess that's par for the course for a tankie.

Biden is not giving Ukraine that in dollars - the values given in most cases are the sticker price for equipment we built a long time ago and were going to scrap anyway. Remember, that's the funniest part about the ineptitude of the Russian military. They aren't losing to 2023 US army equipment, they are losing to like 1993 US army equipment.

Also, you have to love to see things like this - Russian commanders admitting the war is lost. Probably best for Russia to withdraw now and enter negotiations for what sort of reparations or territorial concessions they will make. Maybe recognition of the Belgorod People's Republic as an independent buffer state?

 
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We have given Ukraine nearly double the amount the ENTIRE Russian military spends in one year, but somehow that isn’t enough?

And yet Biden wants to spend another $24 billion…meanwhile the US citizens of Maui get a $700 check for their troubles. Thanks Biden.

You can’t make this stuff up.

What is a displaced family in Maui going to do with a surplus 155mm howitzer round?
 

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We have given Ukraine nearly double the amount the ENTIRE Russian military spends in one year, but somehow that isn’t enough?

And yet Biden wants to spend another $24 billion…meanwhile the US citizens of Maui get a $700 check for their troubles. Thanks Biden.

You can’t make this stuff up.

In 2019 the Russian military budget was in the neighborhood of $60B. US military aid to Ukraine so far totals $43B and a lot of that is USAI for systems not yet delivered from industry.

Your concern for Maui is touching but I doubt genuine.

Apparently you can.
 
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In 2019 the Russian military budget was in the neighborhood of $60B. US military aid to Ukraine so far totals $43B and a lot of that is USAI for systems not yet delivered from industry.

Your concern for Maui is touching but I doubt genuine.

Apparently you can.
I can only imagine the outrage he feels when he thinks about how much of their GDP Russia is spending on aggression when many Russians lack indoor plumbing and most of the country is basically a backwards wasteland.
 
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You can’t make this stuff up.


There it is again. Idiot, all you do is make shit up. Mimicking Gutfeld or Waters or whomever your new Fox idol is, is not a substitute for factual data and critical thinking. How do you not understand this? The regulars here have a track record of accuracy and vetted information, also admitted error when necessary. You, on the other hand, have done nothing in this thread but lie and dutifully represent the outrage of traitors. You've been shown to be full of shit more times in this thread than I care to count right now.

Hey grasshopper, how did you get this fucking stupid? The reason I keep asking is because you seem really fucking stupid, but "you're not making it up." There's got to be a story there.

Be happy Russia is losing, no WWIII is a good thing. Your gas station will be more of a shithole though, and you can blame it on your genocide happy buddy Putin.
 
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Notice how YG perks up as soon as the F-16 sale goes through. Someone is very, very afraid of losing the air superiority battle [not like Russia ever really established air superiority in the first place.]

Coming soon to your comrades:
 
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fskimospy

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Notice how YG perks up as soon as the F-16 sale goes through. Someone is very, very afraid of losing the air superiority battle [not like Russia ever really established air superiority in the first place.]

Coming soon to your comrades:
I personally doubt either side is going to gain significant air superiority. There is just too much AA there for air forces as limited as Russia’s or Ukraine’s to do it. I think it’s more about being able to utilize more NATO air launched weapons.
 

fskimospy

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So you're American again today?

Nobody's buying what you're selling shit for brains. Go hit up a Yahoo article comment section or something.
My personal guess is he is an American or at least from a natively English speaking country. If not, he’s very fluent in English as I don’t see the sort of mistakes a non-native speaker would usually make.

My opinion is he’s just a tankie.
 

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Notice how YG perks up as soon as the F-16 sale goes through. Someone is very, very afraid of losing the air superiority battle [not like Russia ever really established air superiority in the first place.]

Coming soon to your comrades:

Ya by next summer a whopping 8 pilots will be trained to take on the entire Russian Air Force.

Good luck with that.
 

fskimospy

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Ya by next summer a whopping 8 pilots will be trained to take on the entire Russian Air Force.

Good luck with that.
You want Russia to lose though, right?

I mean you talk about how bad US action in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Syria, etc. are and I generally agree! So as you’re someone who applies neutral principles and aren’t just some propaganda mouthpiece I would assume you view the Russian invasion of Ukraine in the same way. Right?

Can you just come out and say Russia and Putin were wrong and it’s right to resist them?
 
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