Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Racan

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and with the RBS 70 being a western design, odds are a few soviet era flares are not going to do much.
Flares or the DIRCM that the Ka-52s are equipped with will help against infrared homing missiles like the Stinger. The RBS 70 uses a laser beam-riding guidance system so it's immune against these countermeasures.

The Ka-52 is equipped with laser warning receivers so in theory it could have detected the laser and the pilot could've taken evasive maneuvers but it looks like it did jack shit to help in this case.
 
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Flares or the DIRCM that the Ka-52s are equipped with will help against infrared homing missiles like the Stinger. The RBS 70 uses a laser beam-riding guidance system so it's immune against these countermeasures.

The Ka-52 is equipped with laser warning receivers so in theory it could have detected the laser and the pilot could've taken evasive maneuvers but it looks like it did jack shit to help in this case.

Kind of a repeat of when a number of Russian helicopters came down with terminal cases of Starstreak and they had to pull units back.
 
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The Ka-52 is equipped with laser warning receivers so in theory it could have detected the laser and the pilot could've taken evasive maneuvers but it looks like it did jack shit to help in this case.
Ka-52" "Warning, you are dead in 4 seconds"
Pilot: "Thanks warning system!"
 

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Too bad the Russians wasted their stockpiles of guided munitions on schools, shelters, apartment buildings and supermarkets instead of…well, military targets.
Lets not forget hospitals, grain storage, national monuments, churches and of course play grounds.
 
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ARMY has been looking at DPICM-XL. These would have timed fuzes that could set off the bomblet if the primary mode didn't engage to reduce dud rates.

I want to see the Russians play catch with the LRMP from General Atomics. A donation to Ukraine is really in order, they need to get on that.

A little more than 93 miles out of a 39 caliber piece supposedly, with the accuracy we've become accustomed to. Hoping it's cheaper than Excalibur but Idk. Should be a fair amount cheaper than a GMLRS rocket though.
 
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Hey Russia, fuck off.

Training starts this month, hope they’re fast learners.

 
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Kind of a repeat of when a number of Russian helicopters came down with terminal cases of Starstreak and they had to pull units back.
That was early war.

There was a video with a Russian helicopter being cut in half in this thread.
 
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Hey Russia, fuck off.

Training starts this month, hope they’re fast learners.

They are. The US said they could be trained in 3 months. However, a couple of Europeans nations are doing the training and now it's supposed to take 6 months. I hope that is just a red herring to troll the Russians, otherwise it seems lame. Given the US has the largest Air Force in the world, one would think we know a thing or two about training.
 
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We've told the Ukrainians that such training first requires a proficiency in English.
Maybe the Ukrainians will have as many as a dozen F-16 pilots by next summer.
 
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Interesting read about Russia's effort to build that huge drone manufacturing facility.
That's 16 drones /day.
Be it daily, bi-daily, or weekly. That's a substantial threat to be dealt with.

Some day a military will understand drones. And in a single night the entire year's production worth will carpet bomb a city like WW2.
Moscow deserves nothing less than to feel that.
 
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That's 16 drones /day.
Be it daily, bi-daily, or weekly. That's a substantial threat to be dealt with.

Some day a military will understand drones. And in a single night the entire year's production worth will carpet bomb a city like WW2.
Moscow deserves nothing less than to feel that.
It's going to get really interesting, one day. War will be revolutionized like making the jump from bows to firearms.

Won't be often you find human troops on the ground in wartime, not like we see today.

I think we could be there well before the end of our lifetimes.
 
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It's going to get really interesting, one day. War will be revolutionized like making the jump from bows to firearms.
Won't be often you find human troops on the ground in wartime, not like we see today.
I think we could be there well before the end of our lifetimes.
Right?
Today it is in its infancy. Where each drone has a pilot. Ridiculous waste of potential.
Next step, based on how they are being used, are squadrons to act as small swarms. One pilot per grouping. Before we graduate to the true potential of actual swarms where you set a target area, or direction, and let them rip.
 
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Won't be often you find human troops on the ground in wartime, not like we see today.
I expect each soldier to have their own compliment of drones tied into their HUD in their helmet. You need to shorten the distance between controller and drone and have line of sight, otherwise the EW environment will neuter autonomous and long range controlled drones.
 
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I expect each soldier to have their own compliment of drones tied into their HUD in their helmet. You need to shorten the distance between controller and drone and have line of sight, otherwise the EW environment will neuter autonomous and long range controlled drones.
There will definitely need to be hardening against EW. AI is on a meteoric trajectory. Drones, robots for that matter, will need a degree of autonomy when a connection to home / human personnel just isn't possible.

Just imagine the things that could go wrong. But we're human, we're going to try -- anything for an edge.

This war in Ukraine has shown where we're heading and we aren't going back. You got little tin cans flying around dropping grenades and shit into trench lines, open hatches of tanks, you name it.

Just imagine an AI-driven, infrared capable, object-detecting flying gun. Humans are fucked. There's probably already prototypes.
 
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There will definitely need to be hardening against EW. AI is on a meteoric trajectory. Drones, robots for that matter, will need a degree of autonomy when a connection to home / human personnel just isn't possible.

Just imagine the things that could go wrong. But we're human, we're going to try -- anything for an edge.

This war in Ukraine has shown where we're heading and we aren't going back. You got little tin cans flying around dropping grenades and shit into trench lines, open hatches of tanks, you name it.

Just imagine an AI-driven, infrared capable, object-detecting flying gun. Humans are fucked. There's probably already prototypes.
forget that

think about a cluster bomb, where each bomblet is smart, glides in and out of buildings, and seeks out an nice warm human to cosy up to.
 

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Interesting read about Russia's effort to build that huge drone manufacturing facility.

On the topic of drones - is this good? Is it likely to work? It seems distressingly similar to the "cope cage" stuff that the Russians were mocked for (granted, I guess these won't be facing anything akin to Javelin/NLAW?)

 
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On the topic of drones - is this good? Is it likely to work? It seems distressingly similar to the "cope cage" stuff that the Russians were mocked for (granted, I guess these won't be facing anything akin to Javelin/NLAW?)


The original intent of the cope cage the Russians put on early in the war was to defeat top attack ATGMs, something that it was hilariously not at all good at.

Cages and netting however are likely to be more effective against drones and loitering munitions.
 

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If the NYT story on casualties is correct Russia is coming up on 120% of the casualties the US sustained in the entirety of the Vietnam war. Or 5-6 times the losses the USSR suffered in Afghanistan.

In a year and a half. So far.