Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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zinfamous

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Yes, they'd evacuate the civilians so they wouldn't have to support them. I think the Russians would go to extreme lengths to retain Crimea and at costs anybody else would consider unreasonable.

Russia will never evacuate civilians. They are far too valuable a resource for Putin who will put them in line for Ukrainian strikes, so that he can parade their inevitable deaths as horrible war crimes from Ukraine.

Russian lives are worth about 1/1000th of a Ukrainian life, and this isn't me saying it. It's Putin displaying this every single day.
 
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Vlad's plan going well ....


Czechs ratify defense treaty with US that makes it easier to deploy US troops in Czech territory

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ABC|50 minutes ago
The Czech Republic has completed the ratification of a defense treaty with the United States that deepens military cooperation and makes it easier to deploy U.S. troops in Czech territory



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Zor Prime

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Russia will never evacuate civilians. They are far too valuable a resource for Putin who will put them in line for Ukrainian strikes, so that he can parade their inevitable deaths as horrible war crimes from Ukraine.

Russian lives are worth about 1/1000th of a Ukrainian life, and this isn't me saying it. It's Putin displaying this every single day.
That's an unfortunate, realistic possibility. Yeah, I don't see them airlifting anyone out, either. If you can make it, fine, if not, fine.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Russia will never evacuate civilians. They are far too valuable a resource for Putin who will put them in line for Ukrainian strikes, so that he can parade their inevitable deaths as horrible war crimes from Ukraine.

Russian lives are worth about 1/1000th of a Ukrainian life, and this isn't me saying it. It's Putin displaying this every single day.
Putin would staple civilians to his century old tanks to use as ablative armor if they'd hold still long enough.
 

K1052

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The container ship Joseph Schulte left Odessa through one of the lanes Ukraine said to use. It had been stuck there since the beginning of the war.

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Jaskalas

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It is fascinating how modern artillery completely decimates large scale formations to the point of strongly discouraging their use.
Russia has a few HUNDRED thousand soldiers in Ukraine, but none of them are heavily concentrated. 10-20 men is just about all we see together, and often even they are spread out.
This has so many implications for use of military assets, I don't think I fully comprehend the tactics and methods of modern warfare and how each unit optimally performs their duties.

I still think of war as thousands of men being involved at once, in each battle. But that has never been the case here.
 
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Colonel General Gennady Zhidko, a top Russian Army commander who was dismissed as Moscow suffered setbacks in the Ukraine war, has died at the age of 57, a regional governor announced on Wednesday.

The former commander of Russia's Eastern Military District and the former Russian deputy minister of defense died in Moscow "after a long illness," Mikhail Degtyarev, the governor of Khabarovsk Krai said in a post on Telegram.


Zhidko served as Chief of Staff of the Russian Armed Forces in Syria in 2016, and in 2018 was appointed Commander of the Eastern Military District. He was made deputy minister of defense in 2021.

He was removed from his post as commander of the Southern Grouping of Forces in October 2022 and replaced by General Sergei Surovikin after just months on the job. His dismissal came as Russia suffered heavy losses in the war.






Long illness? Or long fall?
 

trenchfoot

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Colonel General Gennady Zhidko, a top Russian Army commander who was dismissed as Moscow suffered setbacks in the Ukraine war, has died at the age of 57, a regional governor announced on Wednesday.

The former commander of Russia's Eastern Military District and the former Russian deputy minister of defense died in Moscow "after a long illness," Mikhail Degtyarev, the governor of Khabarovsk Krai said in a post on Telegram.


Zhidko served as Chief of Staff of the Russian Armed Forces in Syria in 2016, and in 2018 was appointed Commander of the Eastern Military District. He was made deputy minister of defense in 2021.

He was removed from his post as commander of the Southern Grouping of Forces in October 2022 and replaced by General Sergei Surovikin after just months on the job. His dismissal came as Russia suffered heavy losses in the war.






Long illness? Or long fall?


Special recipe version of slow timed released flavonoids in his borsht and vodka methinks.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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It is fascinating how modern artillery completely decimates large scale formations to the point of strongly discouraging their use.
Russia has a few HUNDRED thousand soldiers in Ukraine, but none of them are heavily concentrated. 10-20 men is just about all we see together, and often even they are spread out.
This has so many implications for use of military assets, I don't think I fully comprehend the tactics and methods of modern warfare and how each unit optimally performs their duties.

I still think of war as thousands of men being involved at once, in each battle. But that has never been the case here.
Very 'dark forest' vibes. Never get caught out in the open or you'll get either a mortar or a drone on your head. Small concentrations hiding in small concealed locations until a force shows up to root you out, or the supplies stop.
 
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fskimospy

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Very 'dark forest' vibes. Never get caught out in the open or you'll get either a mortar or a drone on your head. Small concentrations hiding in small concealed locations until a force shows up to root you out, or the supplies stop.
It’s also important to point out that Russia and Ukraine simply lack the manpower and resources to do much more than that. The front is roughly 600 miles long so if you have 200,000 soldiers that’s a bit over 300 soldiers per mile. Considering support soldiers significantly outnumber front line fighters you’re really talking about something like 100 fighters per mile.
 

K1052

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It’s also important to point out that Russia and Ukraine simply lack the manpower and resources to do much more than that. The front is roughly 600 miles long so if you have 200,000 soldiers that’s a bit over 300 soldiers per mile. Considering support soldiers significantly outnumber front line fighters you’re really talking about something like 100 fighters per mile.

There is significant concerns amongst the Russians that the main defense lines are largely manned by less than combat ready troops (old, injured, sick, etc) because they have little else. Also might help explain why they are often recklessly counter attacking the Ukrainian axis of advance trying to keep them away. Even to accomplish this they have to move forces continually from spot to spot on their lines to plug holes...but leave new holes when they go. Russia definitely still has a manpower problem.
 
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woke up from a dream in the middle of the night were vladdy got quartered in a town square. it wasn't gore but more like he got pulled apart like bread dough. i had a glass of water and a saltine and went back to bed.

one day. soon.
 
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Thank you Sweden for the exceptional RBS 70, the best weapon in its class.
9 km range.

the ATGM on the KA-52 is claimed to have 10 KM range.

But issues with the horizon of the earth kick in, a person standing on the ground can only see 4.7 km. A helicopter is flying, and that helps a bit, but that also exposes it to the MANPAD. If the MANPAD gets any sort of elevation (top of vehicle, hill, building, etc ) the math changes quite a bit.


Looks like the free shooting gallery time of the KA-52 is over. MANPADs hide easily, things flying through the air tend to have more difficulty hiding. The KA-52s did rack up easy hits on Bradleys and Leopards, but I think those days are over.

and with the RBS 70 being a western design, odds are a few soviet era flares are not going to do much.
 
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apples and oranges.

80km gps guided rocket artillery vs unguided 28km tube artillery

the only thing similar is they both are mounted on a truck.

If we really want to troll the Russians we could send Ukraine the ERCA prototypes which can throw a M864 DPICM shell something like 60km.
 
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