Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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kage69

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Russia has several different ethnic group and I wonder if Putin is using the war to reduce those ethnic groups he dislikes ?

Yep, it's a Stalin thing still very much popular in fascist Russia. You'll notice the imperial asshats of the Russian kleptocracy aren't even afraid to say it, Soloyov literally called for conscripting minorities instead of people like him and his family on his show months ago. It's a joke to them.

Russian aristocracy is living it up in London, Dubai, the Maldives, meanwhile entire villages and towns in Yakutia and Tyva are gutted of their adult men, most won't be coming back. Tired of Tartars in your beloved Crimea? Send them into the meat grinder. Be sure to remind these downtrodden backwaters to "fuck off and send taxes" if they have a problem with it.

And they just can't figure out why no one wants to be invaded or dominated by Russia. Europe is so mean, must be that damn russophobia again.
 

you2

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After the war the West should just give them back their nukes so Russia can fuck off forever.
Well while i thought the same thing at times the truth of the matter is that things change over time and having more countries with nukes is not the answer (i think).
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Having said that Russia is clearly attempt to commit genocide and i wish there was a stronger direct international response.
 
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Jaskalas

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An accurate analytical assessment of the situation we face with Russia.
Their expansionist plans will continue until they are contained. Met with enough force to stop Russia from committing Genocide.
Until then, Russia views the need to expand as existential.

From there I posit that, if necessary, Russia will wait until the US / NATO is in turmoil before launching round 2 against the Baltics. But make no mistake, Russia has no plans of stopping. We CANNOT sit idly by, let them keep their gains, and merely watch as they bid for further opportunities to kill more people and steal more land. Which may come as early as 2025 following a US election that could see a Russian puppet return to power.

The risk of such division in NATO, of such disloyalty from the US, means we have to act now. We have to punch hard and we have to punch fast. If eastern Europe is not secured before we check out.... then there is an open invitation for Russia to continue to the Polish border, and well beyond. There is no former Soviet land that Russia will not claim and seize through Genocide.

These future acts of aggression are ours to stop, here and now. We must do more.


Why Putin’s Russia cannot accept its borders
Modern Russia remains an empire and does not see itself as a Great Power unless it dominates its neighbors. Consequently, Russia will continue to threaten, attack, and absorb its neighbors until the West acts collectively to contain it.
Russia and its apologists will complain that containment ignores Russia’s legitimate security concerns. This is a canard because Russia’s security concerns constantly expand. In reality, Russian leaders have absolutely nothing to worry about if they return to their country’s internationally recognized 1991 borders. The West has always respected these borders; it is Russia that has not. Until modern Russia moves beyond its deeply ingrained imperial identity, this is unlikely to change.
 
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Ajay

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Napoleon attacks Russia: June 24, 1812
Hitler attacks Russia: June 22 1941

Russia's fears on not completely unfounded. They are, however, greatly exaggerated and, as the article makes clear, so deeply ingrained in the Russian mindset that it is hard to see how that changes. I'm not sure have NATO force Russia out of Ukraine would change that - in fact, it might actually reinforce their their position. I wrote this comment this way because I'm over watching/listening to/reading of the death and carnage being inflicted on the Ukrainian people and soldiers. At this point, I really think we should honor the request that Zelensky would happily request that NATO (or, the US and Britain) to position troops anywhere west of the Dnieper. The ball would be in the Russian court, and there's not a damn thing they would be able to do about it. They are not going to lob nuclear weapons at us because that is suicide. I'm sure that over the next 6-9 months we would be able to develop solid defensive positions and effectively create no fly zones projecting out to the battle space effectively shutting down attacks by missiles and aircraft. We would be able to protect the civilian population from random missile attacks. We would be better able to maintain speed up supply routing and set up fast repair depots.

The time for pussyfooting around trying not to get Putin too riled up is over. This needs to end. A hard hip check into the wall is a good warning that a punch in the face might come next (without violating Russia's precious borders).
 

Zor Prime

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Another day comes and goes, it's another day we aren't doing enough. We're approaching day 600. 1000 isn't far behind and I expect things will be the same.

It's almost as if everything is being done in a controlled and regulated manner to prolong the war. I wonder ...
 

gothuevos

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It's becoming painfully obvious that in the end, Ukraine will not be able to win. All of this money down the drain and all these wasted lives. And whatever rumored prospect there was early in 2022 of some sort of cease fire or reconciliation is long gone.

So...who blinks first?
 
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K1052

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It's becoming painfully obvious that in the end, Ukraine will not be able to win. All of this money down the drain and all these wasted lives. And whatever rumored prospect there was early in 2022 of some sort of cease fire or reconciliation is long gone.

So...who blinks first?

Lmao no. Get Ukraine more arms to kill more Russians with. Start planning for a spring offensive. More stand-off weapons, better drones, SRBMs, more air defense, more armor, more shells.
 

gothuevos

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Lmao no. Get Ukraine more arms to kill more Russians with. Start planning for a spring offensive. More stand-off weapons, better drones, SRBMs, more air defense, more armor, more shells.

Public opinion has soured on the situation and will only get worse.
 
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It's becoming painfully obvious that in the end, Ukraine will not be able to win. All of this money down the drain and all these wasted lives. And whatever rumored prospect there was early in 2022 of some sort of cease fire or reconciliation is long gone.

Every day Russia loses more and more of its stock of soviet military equipment that made it a feared military power. Given how in reality much of those tanks and IFV's sitting in storage are missing parts or are just rusted out junk at some point in the near future Russian forces will find themselves without heavy equipment support and Russia will be done.
 
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Perknose

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Public opinion has soured on the situation and will only get worse.
From the depths of the Battle of Britan, Winston Churchill wants to stick his cane up your ass.

At the height of the peril of Gettysburg, Abraham Lincoln wants to slap your fucking defeatist face.

From the freezing cold of Valley Forge, General George Washington wants to kick you out of your tent and send you home to Mommy.

Quislings like you wither in the face of adversity and create the defeat they fear. The brave, wielding the finely honed steel of the free, march on to victory.

Tl,dr: Go fuck yourself.
 

Indus

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From the depths of the Battle of Britan, Winston Churchill wants to stick his cane up your ass.

At the height of the peril of Gettysburg, Abraham Lincoln wants to slap your fucking defeatist face.

From the freezing cold of Valley Forge, General George Washington wants to kick you out of your tent and send you home to Mommy.

Quislings like you wither in the face of adversity and create the defeat they fear. The brave, wielding the finely honed steel of the free, march on to victory.

Tl,dr: Go fuck yourself.

Not just that, sure people might feel that way but it's not becoming a top 5 issue anytime soon.

FFS abortion was important to women and they still voted for GOP anyways for decades. Never hurt them till Dobbs.

Next few elections are gonna be single issue.. Trump or economy.
 

gothuevos

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Not just that, sure people might feel that way but it's not becoming a top 5 issue anytime soon.

FFS abortion was important to women and they still voted for GOP anyways for decades. Never hurt them till Dobbs.

Next few elections are gonna be single issue.. Trump or economy.

Bingo. The issue is already below 50% approval in polls and will continue to sink heading into 2024 as people become increasingly frustrated that they're still paying out of the nose for everyday items. Top 5? It won't even be a top 10 issue at that point.
 

Jaskalas

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The issue is already below 50% approval in polls and will continue to sink heading into 2024 as people become increasingly frustrated that they're still paying out of the nose for everyday items.
Support for this money pit is going to nosedive.
Money spent to oppose and likely stop a war of Russian aggression. To stop Genocide.
To defeat the "second" most powerful military in the world, we are spending a pittance of our annual defense budget.
To tie these things into the economy at large, is Republican propaganda.

Nothing factual or true about that complaint you and Fox News harp on.
It is not real, but it is used to drive people into voting Republican so that they can support Russia. So that Republicans can endorse Genocide in Europe through their actions.
 

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Money spent to oppose and likely stop a war of Russian aggression. To stop Genocide.
To defeat the "second" most powerful military in the world, we are spending a pittance of our annual defense budget.
To tie these things into the economy at large, is Republican propaganda.

Nothing factual or true about that complaint you and Fox News harp on.
It is not real, but it is used to drive people into voting Republican so that they can support Russia. So that Republicans can endorse Genocide in Europe through their actions.
And we're not spending much money at all in Ukraine - most of this "spend" is giving away 10-20+ year old unused military inventory that the US would have to otherwise spent money to dispose of. The vast majority of the "Ukraine" dollar spend so far is just magic old inventory accounting (with no actual $ spend), plus some accelerated investment in the US to modernize our own military stores (that should have been done anyway). Plus a bit of real financial aid to Ukraine, which is almost lost in the rounding.
 

Ajay

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Lmao no. Get Ukraine more arms to kill more Russians with. Start planning for a spring offensive. More stand-off weapons, better drones, SRBMs, more air defense, more armor, more shells.
Yeah. Now we are the French helping out the colonies because they get to kick the Brit’s in the balls without even getting their shoes dirty. This can’t drag on, for the sake of the Ukrainians this can’t drag on. Sure, it’s a good deal for us. Great return on the dollar wrt to fucking up the Russians on the cheap. Yea us.
 
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Zor Prime

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I envy the optimism in here. I think we're content to continue bleeding Russia ... for as long as possible, which sucks for Ukrainians because along with the dead Russians you've got stacks of dead Ukrainians as well.

If we wanted this over quickly I think it would be. I don't think it's even a party issue, I think it's a national interests issue. If we can supply some people somewhere else across the oceans some old equipment and chicken feed to do our bidding as a byproduct why wouldn't we want to keep that gravy train rolling. If we provide too much support, it ends, or Russia freaks out. Best to keep a trickle flow going, right? That is, unfortunately, what I see occurring.

We need to shit or get off the pot, at this rate we're bordering on being complicit for a lot of dead Ukrainians ... the only thing preventing our image being blemished at this time is being on a moral high ground but it's starting to look like a facade.

We're going to run out of old crap to send. We already supplemented cluster munitions we didn't want anymore because we ran out of shells we were sending. We're going to run out of more stuff -- it's going to carry a higher price tag, and it's going to become a political issue for politicians everywhere in the west.

Ukraine will win, depending on how you define win. I don't see this ending up black and white, I see fucked up concessions coming down the pipeline in the end.