Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Lifer
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24 billion for Ukraine, and breadcrumbs to treat drug addicts and homelessness in this country.

You can’t make this stuff up. Maybe one day you guys will wake up and realize these wars are nothing more than money laundering operations for the military industrial complex.

Replace Afghanistan with Ukraine:

And they're kicking the living shit out of Russia. How awesome is that?
 

Pipeline 1010

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24 billion for Ukraine, and breadcrumbs to treat drug addicts and homelessness in this country.

I'll have you know we spend tens of billions per year imprisoning, punishing, arresting, and swat raiding drug addicts. It's hard to tell, but you may be trying to make the point that we should be treating them from a medical and mental health perspective instead of spending the billions on worthlessly destructive punishment. I agree with you. Treatment is both far cheaper than punishment and far more effective.

But I think your real motivation is that you don't want Ukraine to remain a free nation independent of Russian control and you're just throwing whatever shit you can at the wall in desperate hope that something will stick. Nothing has yet, but I doubt that will deter you.

Do I think you really like Russia and hate Ukraine? No. I think you have made your decision based on what Biden does. Biden supports Ukraine, so you MUST oppose Ukraine. The U.S. has been building its military since the 1940s for 1 reason: to counter Russia. For the eventual war that may come. Well, now we are spending some small percentage of that money to use these weapons for what they were intended to do. And we aren't spending a single American life to do so. Think of leaders like Reagan, who may very well be looking down from heaven with glee...we are wrecking our arch rival's military and doing it for a fraction of what it should cost, using stockpiles of old weapons. Yet the blemish on his glee is people like you who are actively cheering for Russia....RUSSIA to win. I think your hatred of Biden is so intense that even when he does good things you feel compelled to oppose him.
 

kage69

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I'll have you know we spend tens of billions per year imprisoning, punishing, arresting, and swat raiding drug addicts. It's hard to tell, but you may be trying to make the point that we should be treating them from a medical and mental health perspective instead of spending the billions on worthlessly destructive punishment. I agree with you. Treatment is both far cheaper than punishment and far more effective.

But I think your real motivation is that you don't want Ukraine to remain a free nation independent of Russian control and you're just throwing whatever shit you can at the wall in desperate hope that something will stick. Nothing has yet, but I doubt that will deter you.

Do I think you really like Russia and hate Ukraine? No. I think you have made your decision based on what Biden does. Biden supports Ukraine, so you MUST oppose Ukraine. The U.S. has been building its military since the 1940s for 1 reason: to counter Russia. For the eventual war that may come. Well, now we are spending some small percentage of that money to use these weapons for what they were intended to do. And we aren't spending a single American life to do so. Think of leaders like Reagan, who may very well be looking down from heaven with glee...we are wrecking our arch rival's military and doing it for a fraction of what it should cost, using stockpiles of old weapons. Yet the blemish on his glee is people like you who are actively cheering for Russia....RUSSIA to win. I think your hatred of Biden is so intense that even when he does good things you feel compelled to oppose him.

The above in bold really can't be overstated. That's what kills public support. The ROI here for the US, NATO and the EU is just off the damn chart. Seems to me anyone critical of the cost of Afghanistan should be able to appreciate that.

I think you're on to something. His callous disregard for innocent Ukrainian lives is reminiscent of the apathy magats had for their own neighbors during covid's heyday. The addiction to state media and avoidance of critical thinking sure seems familiar. Little to no self-awareness and an affinity for lying. Lots of checked boxes here.
 
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Young Grasshopper

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My preferred solution would be for the USA to declare war on the Russian federation and destroy every Russian military asset, mercenary asset, and organized crime asset outside the Russia border, and put Russia into a naval and economic blockade. Sadly, my leaders are not going to do that. We could prevent any further damage by Russia in less then a week.

Fortunately there is a solution for you:


Ukraine has plenty of mercenaries fighting for them including some from the USA. Are you going to join? Anyone on this thread? Didn’t think so. But if you do go and get cold feet once you’re there, the Ukrainian ‘recruiters’ might be able to give you a little bit of encouragement:



And these are the type of people you all support. How tragic.

#peacedealnow
 

Tsinni Dave

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Fortunately there is a solution for you:


Ukraine has plenty of mercenaries fighting for them including some from the USA. Are you going to join? Anyone on this thread? Didn’t think so. But if you do go and get cold feet once you’re there, the Ukrainian ‘recruiters’ might be able to give you a little bit of encouragement:



And these are the type of people you all support. How tragic.

#peacedealnow
Your hashtag screams desperation.
 
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Young Grasshopper

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I'll have you know we spend tens of billions per year imprisoning, punishing, arresting, and swat raiding drug addicts. It's hard to tell, but you may be trying to make the point that we should be treating them from a medical and mental health perspective instead of spending the billions on worthlessly destructive punishment. I agree with you. Treatment is both far cheaper than punishment and far more effective.

But I think your real motivation is that you don't want Ukraine to remain a free nation independent of Russian control and you're just throwing whatever shit you can at the wall in desperate hope that something will stick. Nothing has yet, but I doubt that will deter you.

Do I think you really like Russia and hate Ukraine? No. I think you have made your decision based on what Biden does. Biden supports Ukraine, so you MUST oppose Ukraine. The U.S. has been building its military since the 1940s for 1 reason: to counter Russia. For the eventual war that may come. Well, now we are spending some small percentage of that money to use these weapons for what they were intended to do. And we aren't spending a single American life to do so. Think of leaders like Reagan, who may very well be looking down from heaven with glee...we are wrecking our arch rival's military and doing it for a fraction of what it should cost, using stockpiles of old weapons. Yet the blemish on his glee is people like you who are actively cheering for Russia....RUSSIA to win. I think your hatred of Biden is so intense that even when he does good things you feel compelled to oppose him.

Who gives a shit about Reagan? Get out of your Cold War mentality.

At the end of the day, people are losing their brothers/sons/grandchildren/husbands. These people are getting kidnapped by ‘recruiters’ on the US taxpayer payroll. It’s easy to cheerlead for Ukraine when you’re not the one having to worry about thrown into the back of a van and being sent to the front line.

Also there are now reports the Ukrainian Defense Minister possibly get canned, and Russia advancing on Kharkiv. Guess someone’s gotta be held accountable for this botched counteroffensive right?

And you guys want to keep this shitshow going instead of diplomacy. Besides, I don’t think people in western or central Ukraine give a shit about eastern Ukraine anyway, so good luck finding some motivated troops.
 

Paratus

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Who gives a shit about Reagan? Get out of your Cold War mentality.

At the end of the day, people are losing their brothers/sons/grandchildren/husbands. These people are getting kidnapped by ‘recruiters’ on the US taxpayer payroll. It’s easy to cheerlead for Ukraine when you’re not the one having to worry about thrown into the back of a van and being sent to the front line.

Also there are now reports the Ukrainian Defense Minister possibly get canned, and Russia advancing on Kharkiv. Guess someone’s gotta be held accountable for this botched counteroffensive right?

And you guys want to keep this shitshow going instead of diplomacy. Besides, I don’t think people in western or central Ukraine give a shit about eastern Ukraine anyway, so good luck finding some motivated troops.
It’s good of you to recommend Russia surrenders and pursues diplomacy now. It’s probably the only way they retain a modicum of their non-nuclear forces
 

kage69

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Why would Ukraine work with Putin on anything? He doesn't honor agreements, just tried to kill Zelenskyy again. Reminder, Putin is a war criminal who rejects Ukrainian sovereignty to it's very core. Kyiv isn't interested in giving Russia a respite so it can re organize and re equip, better to just eject them from the country with force. Ukrainians are overwhelmingly resigned to this course.

If Russians want peace and to save as much face as possible, they can put a pair of 9x18mm pills behind Putin's ear and call Joe in the morning. The only thing they can expect with Putin still in charge is a traditional humiliation on the battlefield at great cost.
 

zinfamous

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Says the guy crying about Biden not wanting to send ATACMSs and F16. Why do they need them for bud? Putin is getting his ‘ass kicked’ with NATO hand me downs right? Right. No need to send them planes or long range missiles. They’re doing just fine with hand me down weapons apparently.

why aren't you fighting for Putin? Are you a coward?
 

zinfamous

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Why would Ukraine work with Putin on anything? He doesn't honor agreements, just tried to kill Zelenskyy again. Reminder, Putin is a war criminal who rejects Ukrainian sovereignty to it's very core. Kyiv isn't interested in giving Russia a respite so it can re organize and re equip, better to just eject them from the country with force. Ukrainians are overwhelmingly resigned to this course.

If Russians want peace and to save as much face as possible, they can put a pair of 9x18mm pills behind Putin's ear and call Joe in the morning. The only thing they can expect with Putin still in charge is a traditional humiliation on the battlefield at great cost.

The only way this ends is the removal of all Russian orcs in Ukraine--either through retreat or elimination. However Putin chooses to do this, that's what it is.

Bitch Grasshopper should be all to happy to martyr himself for Putin, so I hope he goes and gets himself kidnapped for the cause.
 
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Tsinni Dave

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The only way this ends is the removal of all Russian orcs in Ukraine--either through retreat or elimination. However Putin chooses to do this, that's what it is.

Bitch Grasshopper should be all to happy to martyr himself for Putin, so I hope he goes and gets himself kidnapped for the cause.
I'm pretty sure grasshopper is multiple people and this shit is their job. A really, really shitty job, but a step up from beating up Russian women for protesting the war by holding up blank pieces of paper.
 

Jaskalas

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It appears having the Genocidal, Colonial invader as your neighbor makes some countries in Asia nervous.
To the point of once more advancing their own languages and cultures over the imperialists.

Kazakhstan may be in bed with Russia economically, and supplying them a great deal of military supplies, but deep down there is a large divide that is growing as it knows Russia will one day look to expand over their corpses. Becoming a more separate and distinguished nation, reclaiming their cultural heritages is the most peaceful way they can resist being colonized by the evil empire.

The War in Ukraine Is Catalyzing a Linguistic Awakening in Kazakhstan

 

Leeea

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I'm pretty sure grasshopper is multiple people and this shit is their job. A really, really shitty job, but a step up from beating up Russian women for protesting the war by holding up blank pieces of paper.
I assure you, this is a big step up from getting conscripted to the front.

Nobody wants to huddle and wonder if the next DPICM addressed to whom it may concern is going to bounce next to them.
 
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senseamp

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I assure you, this is a big step up from getting conscripted to the front.

Nobody wants to huddle and wonder if the next DPICM addressed to whom it may concern is going to bounce next to them.
They'll be conscripted eventually once convicts run out. Of course they will scream that there has been a terrible mistake 😭
 

gdansk

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Reminder, Putin is a war criminal who rejects Ukrainian sovereignty to it's very core.
It's not only Putin. Westerners like to believe some leadership change could end the war - it won't. Most the alternative parties are Russian nationalists. Ukrainian independence is only allowable in a very limited sense in their worldviews.

Would Russia be less aggressive with other non-paranoid leadership? Probably. But Russian people are like interwar Germany where they feel treated like the defeated without having been totally defeated. Seems it often leads to irrational aggression.
 
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bononos

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It looks more and more like the Ukrainian offensive has slowed down to a crawl.
And they've switched back to their familiar tactics because of their own limitations.

And recent US polling shows that the majority of US wants military support in the form of intelligence sharing and not sending weapons which is not a good sign.
Ukraine has redoubled their southern offense in the last few days and also did some house cleaning which makes think whether it was in response to the bad news.
 
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zinfamous

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It's not only Putin. Westerners like to believe some leadership change could end the war - it won't. Most the alternative parties are Russian nationalists. Ukrainian independence is only allowable in a very limited sense in their worldviews.

Would Russia be less aggressive with other non-paranoid leadership? Probably. But Russian people are like interwar Germany where they feel treated like the defeated without having been totally defeated. Seems it often leads to irrational aggression.

This is why Russia needs to be destroyed like Germany was. It's the only way. They nned to live in fire and rubble and the children need to have to eat their parents to survive, for them to ever learn. Russia needs to suffer.

I know it sounds like running in and decimating them will just embolden them to hate the rest of the world even more, but I don't think so. Remember, Russians don't think like us. They are subservient to their core and will believe anything their masters will tell them. Just fuck the ever loving shit out of that fake culture and non-existent country, give them new leaders, and they'll step in line. They'll worship their conquerors, because that's all they really know.

Patton was right.
 

K1052

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The Euros have needlessly overcomplicated this. The pilots aren't going to need 4 months of training to lean the terms of the jets. Like maybe a couple days. Insisting on training the crews at the same time is dumb. Hire contractors to maintain them until Ukrainian ground crews are brought up to speed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/08/11/f-16-fighters-ukraine-training-delays/

Though the pilots are already fluent in English, the officials said, they must first attend four months of English lessons in Britain to learn terminology associated with the jets. That instruction will occur along with ground staff who may be less proficient in English because, according to Ukrainian officials, Denmark requested to train entire crews together rather than just the pilots first. Denmark’s ministry of defense declined to comment.

That pushes back the start of combat training, which is expected to take six months, to January, the Ukrainian officials said. A second group of about the same size would be ready six months after that, or roughly the end of next year.

“This is called dragging it out,” one Ukrainian official said. Both Ukrainian officials said they were reluctant to be too critical of their U.S. and European benefactors for fear of appearing ungrateful.
 

sportage

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Politics in iOwa....
CNN was in iOwa covering the candidates and addressed a group of iOwa republicans CNN gathered for questioning. Asked if these iOwa republicans supported supporting Ukraine not one of the group raised their hand. And the group went further denouncing the financial aid given to Ukraine so far.

You see, here is the problem.
These FARMERS know nothing about how it works. These FARMERS know nothing about NATO and the importance of NATO in keeping the world free from people like Putin. They think its all a big waste of money.
These republicans, most republicans can not understand what a communist takeover would look like, how it would affect America's freedom and.... the future of American freedom. And, they do not understand NATO.

Farmers are pretty stupid, especially republican farmers. I think its the ethanol affecting their brain.
 

fskimospy

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Politics in iOwa....
CNN was in iOwa covering the candidates and addressed a group of iOwa republicans CNN gathered for questioning. Asked if these iOwa republicans supported supporting Ukraine not one of the group raised their hand. And the group went further denouncing the financial aid given to Ukraine so far.

You see, here is the problem.
These FARMERS know nothing about how it works. These FARMERS know nothing about NATO and the importance of NATO in keeping the world free from people like Putin. They think its all a big waste of money.
These republicans, most republicans can not understand what a communist takeover would look like, how it would affect America's freedom and.... the future of American freedom. And, they do not understand NATO.

Farmers are pretty stupid, especially republican farmers. I think its the ethanol affecting their brain.
I think it's more that people attending Iowa Republican primary events are the furthest right of the far right, and the far right identifies Russia as an ally.