Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Ajay

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Delays in supplying munitions and equipment to Ukraine allowed Russia to extensively mine and fortify their lines as well which really is the chief problem now.
This is one thing the Russians got right. They actually used something like a tunnel boring machine to make large circular 'trenches'. The are almost impossible to cross with armored vehicles - and expose the underbelly of the vehicle when an attempt is make. Ukraine couldn't afford to just shell some of these key crossings to prevent RuAF engineers from building them. Now, UAF engineers would need to get out their to fill them in or build temporary bridging structures. Unfortunately, Russian artillery is just waiting for the UAF to try. NATO is learning some tough lessons here, and Ukrainians are paying the price. That said, without our help, Russia would be grabbing more and more territory - the war could even have concluded by now.

The part plan, part happenstance of slow walking our involvement is clearly coming up short. From the US perspective - the re-engagement of NATO as a cohesive block required this approach. We need a new, more aggressive approach, otherwise, as you point out, we are playing into Putin's plan of winning by virtue of demography. I hope the smart folks in National Security and the Military are working around the clock on a better approach.
 
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you2

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There has been a rash of recruitment centers being firebombed in the past few days, one hell of a story , and just lol.....getting a call from the cops to come burn down a building...

~ https://holod.media/2023/08/01/podjogi-voenkomatov/

Also on July 31 in Mozhaisk, Tatyana Kholyuseva tried to set fire to the building of the military enlistment office on Frunze Street. She told investigators that she received a call from a man who introduced himself as an employee of Sberbank and said that there was a fraudster in the building of the military recruitment center who was trying to take a loan in her name. Holuseva was offered to set the building on fire to help law enforcement officers apprehend him. The fire was extinguished by the staff of the military commissariat. A criminal case was opened against Holuseva under the article "attempted willful destruction of another's property".

A similar story happened in the town of Rossosh, Voronezh region. Olga Podunova, a teacher, received a phone call informing her that unknown people were trying to steal money from her account. In order to stop the fraudsters, Podunova was supposed to set fire to the building and "smoke out" the intruder, who would then allegedly be detained by the police. As a result, Podunova threw a Molotov cocktail at the door of the regional military enlistment office, after which she was detained.

A military recruitment center in Podolsk, Moscow Region, was tried to be set on fire twice during the day. First, the police detained the manager of the restaurant "Tasty and That's It" (ex-Mcdonalds) Vyacheslav Lychagin. His actions were also coordinated by phone scammers. According to Lychagin, he received a call allegedly from the Central Bank and persuaded him to take a loan, which he sent to the account of the attacker. He was then offered to return the money, but in return they demanded that he set fire to the military recruitment center. According to Kommersant, Lychagin bought five small bottles of nail polish remover and a bottle of Borjomi. He used them to make a Molotov cocktail and threw it at the door of the military commissariat.
Welll.... These Russians make Trump supporters look smart. Having said that I wonder if it is Ukrainian or Russians calling these people ....
 

K1052

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This is one thing the Russians got right. They actually used something like a tunnel boring machine to make large circular 'trenches'. The are almost impossible to cross with armored vehicles - and expose the underbelly of the vehicle when an attempt is make. Ukraine couldn't afford to just shell some of these key crossings to prevent RuAF engineers from building them. Now, UAF engineers would need to get out their to fill them in or build temporary bridging structures. Unfortunately, Russian artillery is just waiting for the UAF to try. NATO is learning some tough lessons here, and Ukrainians are paying the price. That said, without our help, Russia would be grabbing more and more territory - the war could even have concluded by now.

The part plan, part happenstance of slow walking our involvement is clearly coming up short. From the US perspective - the re-engagement of NATO as a cohesive block required this approach. We need a new, more aggressive approach, otherwise, as you point out, we are playing into Putin's plan of winning by virtue of demography. I hope the smart folks in National Security and the Military are working around the clock on a better approach.

The fastest way to collapse the Russian southern front is to go after Crimea with as many standoff range weapons as we can spare. The limitations of the Ukrainian Air Force and its fleet are an issue so that might mean ground based solutions like ATACMS and some of the Mk 41-on a truck prototypes.

The supply of GMLRS-ER and GLSDB should be acclerated to give Ukraine effective cost-efficent fire over all of southern Ukraine to the Sea of Azov.
 

JTsyo

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The question is what will happen if Wagner starts operations against Ukraine from within Belarus? Will Ukraine then attack Belarus?
Probably similar to when the US asked the Taliban to turn over Bin Laden.
 

Ajay

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The fastest way to collapse the Russian southern front is to go after Crimea with as many standoff range weapons as we can spare. The limitations of the Ukrainian Air Force and its fleet are an issue so that might mean ground based solutions like ATACMS and some of the Mk 41-on a truck prototypes.

The supply of GMLRS-ER and GLSDB should be acclerated to give Ukraine effective cost-efficent fire over all of southern Ukraine to the Sea of Azov.
Seems like the only options, or, at least, the only option that we have now in terms of assisting the UAF right now. I don't think it is enough. Obviously, if we (the US or NATO) were doing this - the air around key bases would become thick with missiles and at key locations of various kinds. What was left that could fly would limp off to to Russia proper. SEAD would be prioritized as well. It's too bad there isn't a way to help them in that regard.

We are avoiding another Vietnam (even though the outcome would clearly be different), but also doing more than Afghanistan. 20 years of fighting wars in the Middle East has left the US (via Biden) to be very careful. And I think it is clear at this juncture - that we have been too careful.

I suppose what I'm really trying to get at, is what is our end game, and what is our plan to get there? Do we even have an end game and plan? Pragmatically, as far as US interests go, we can go on like this to wear Russia down to the nub, and then throw all in with Ukraine just when the Russians turn the tide - but that's a moral dead end.
 

Young Grasshopper

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The solution is simple. Russia leaves Ukraine and ends their illegal, invasive war of aggression.


Easy to say when it’s not you or a family member of yours being kidnapped and thrown into a van, and sent to the front line.

Who cares as long as it’s not me right?
 

Amused

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Easy to say when it’s not you or a family member of yours being kidnapped and thrown into a van, and sent to the front line.

Who cares as long as it’s not me right?

Again, Russia has invaded Ukraine. Ukraine is DEFENDING itself.

You're on the wrong side. It doesn't matter if there are or are not civil rights abuses in Ukraine, that does not make the Russian invasion any more legal or the RESOLUTION to this invasive war of aggression any less clear: To end the war Russia must FUCKING LEAVE UKRAINE.

How hard is that to fucking understand???

Imagine a squatter moving into a bedroom of your house and killing your wife and police who try to remove him.

Now imagine someone like you coming along and saying "the only way to stop this war is for Grasshopper to just give up."

You are seriously fucked in the goddamn skull, you know that? Stop listening to Russian propaganda and right-wing shit posts.
 

trenchfoot

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Easy to say when it’s not you or a family member of yours being kidnapped and thrown into a van, and sent to the front line.

Who cares as long as it’s not me right?


Yeah, you Russians should stop doing that to your own sons and daughters just to keep Putin's meat grinder in business.
 
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Perknose

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Who cares as long as it’s not me right?
Isn't that exactly your attitude towards the Ukranian civilians being murdered in their own country by the invading Russians? Not to mention all the Ukranian men and women giving their lives as members of the heroic UKA for THEIR FUCKING COUNTRY?

You have to be a real piece of shit not to see, let alone feel this.
 
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Young Grasshopper

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Isn't that exactly your attitude towards the Ukranian civilians being murdered in their own country by the invading Russians? Not to mention all the Ukranian men and women giving their lives as members of the heroic UKA for THEIR FUCKING COUNTRY?

You have to be a real piece of shit not to see, let alone feel this.

You call this giving your life? I call it kidnapping. These people don’t want to fight anymore. They’re sick of it, they’re sick of the war. This western narrative that Ukrainians are bravely fighting for their country and lining to join the fight is nothing but propaganda. Imagine living in a country where at any given moment these kidnappers(whose salaries are being paid by US taxpayers) can just scoop you up, throw you into a van and send you to a certain death.



https://twitter.com/narrative_hole/status/1684907554118213632?s=46

https://twitter.com/narrative_hole/status/1682774232952983554?s=46
 

trenchfoot

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You call this giving your life? I call it kidnapping. These people don’t want to fight anymore. They’re sick of it, they’re sick of the war. This western narrative that Ukrainians are bravely fighting for their country and lining to join the fight is nothing but propaganda. Imagine living in a country where at any given moment these kidnappers(whose salaries are being paid by US taxpayers) can just scoop you up, throw you into a van and send you to a certain death.



https://twitter.com/narrative_hole/status/1684907554118213632?s=46

https://twitter.com/narrative_hole/status/1682774232952983554?s=46

I assume you have verifiable proof of the part of your post that I bolded. If not, I'm going to safely assume you stuffed words in their mouths to fit your narrative which pretty much amounts to some Grade A Russian bullshit propaganda script you got handed to you by your commissar.

Change my mind.......please.
 
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kage69

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You call this giving your life? I call it kidnapping. These people don’t want to fight anymore. They’re sick of it, they’re sick of the war. This western narrative that Ukrainians are bravely fighting for their country and lining to join the fight is nothing but propaganda. Imagine living in a country where at any given moment these kidnappers(whose salaries are being paid by US taxpayers) can just scoop you up, throw you into a van and send you to a certain death.


I call your weak posts a PR effort for fascism and genocide, and Russians are the ones kidnapping people you absolute dipshit. If you're not getting paid for this, damn, what kind of demented upbringing did you have where you are this hateful towards people struggling to exist against an invader?

There are thousands of imprisoned Ukrainian civilians, basically slave labor when they aren't being tortured and abused. That's on top of the campaign of child kidnapping Russia has been doing, which you have ignored multiple times since you began your self abuse here.

Putin wants more prisons "A Russian government document obtained by The Associated Press dating to January outlined plans to create 25 new prison colonies and six other detention centers in occupied Ukraine by 2026." Ukraine builds holding facilities for Russian POWs, gives them clean quarters with beds, showers and three squares a day. Pretty easy to see who the douchebags are here...douchebag.

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Project some more. Hearing unoriginal Kremlin bitches like you whine about propaganda, my god it's hilarious. Way better than your previous jerking off to Mearsheimer nuttery.
 
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zinfamous

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Easy to say when it’s not you or a family member of yours being kidnapped and thrown into a van, and sent to the front line.

Who cares as long as it’s not me right?

what the fuck are you talking about? That isn't any kind of rational response. You'd think that if Russia does actually leave, they'd stop kidnapping their own and sending them to the front line,

But here you are, posting cvnty dumbshit posts.
 
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Brovane

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Easy to say when it’s not you or a family member of yours being kidnapped and thrown into a van, and sent to the front line.

Who cares as long as it’s not me right?

Then why doesn't Russia end this war by leaving Ukraine? If they act soon they "might" be able to keep some of the land they have seized in Ukraine since 2014.