Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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kage69

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chem labs have all sorts of benzine-derived flammables and other pyrophoric monsters that have to make for some HELLISH fun versions of the 'ol molotov, now with +2 heat damage and +1 hour to burn time effect.

It's not like there's "one recipe" whenever chemistry is involved. :D

just saying.
(and methanol-fueled bombs will make for some green-hell flames that will fuck the minds out of anyone wondering what the hell has just been tossed at them). fun things, you know.



We need some directions for homemade Willie Pete. Also, I was thinking some kind of spray trap, maybe... carbolic acid? Because go for the eyes boo, go for the eyes?
 

Jaskalas

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you've got sodium salt and magnesium strips and all sorts of explosive bang poppers that, if nothing else, could blind the hell out of anyone rushing a door or an alleyway.

of course...then the more we think...we start breaking Geneva conventions so, uh, you know. That kind of dabbling could very well go ++effective against an under-supplied invading force, but also land you den Hague.

Some chemical rockets over the advancing Russian troops. Where is Saddam when you need him.
 

zinfamous

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We need some directions for homemade Willie Pete. Also, I was thinking some kind of spray trap, maybe... carbolic acid? Because go for the eyes boo, go for the eyes?

see, that's why I brought up Geneva before continuing on with that post... :D
 
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zinfamous

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Some chemical rockets over the advancing Russian troops. Where is Saddam when you need him.

exactly...it's problematic and eh, pretty much fucking wrong at this point.

....... ....but you've got a madman sending children out to invade a country because the madman has the mental age of a 12 year-old that just lost his Pinewood Derby after daddy promised him that he would win it of course. ...sending a pretty advanced, massive army against a scrappy bunch of tough sonsofbitches that are cobbling together whatever they have, and grabbing weapons from the sidelines as quickly as they kin.

No Men between 16-18 are allowed to leave Kyiv as of earlier today. They are keeping everyone they can. It's fucking horrible, but that's what they are doing right now and everyone seems to be going for it.

You work with what you've got. In the above scenario, that isn't really an army fighting: it's besieged citizens using their wits to overcome a massive invasion force.

And, you hope...enough of that dirty shit early on will convince enough of the invaders to just give the hell up. Sparing much more bloodshed. I guess?
 

njdevilsfan87

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I'm starting to wonder of the possibility that US intelligence may have purposely lied on how "easy" it was going to be for Putin to take Ukraine. Because for sure that would have stroked Putin's ego hard, as he likely would have believed it since they were spot on about everything else leading up to invasion. If that's the case we could be seeing the greatest lure/trap in the history of humanity. On the flip side if this is the case, I also hate how many lives are being lost.

It's still too early too tell and our western view of this is likely biased, but still seeing Kyiv here in the live stream:
makes me hopeful. There was a point a few hours where I was getting very concerned as some of the booming and firing was getting loud, but it seems to have calmed down quite a bit from its dark hours.
 
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Grey_Beard

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What? The city is in the county...
But the Cities and Counties have their own respective government, seperate taxes and seperate funding.
The city is also in the state, but also a separate government from the state.
Money between city, state and county treasuries do not intermix.
How hard of a concept is this?

Dude, you’re not making sense. Just because you quote the obvious, does not make you an Oracle. You don’t understand anything you are saying, but you think you do. It is almost, let say it again, almost funny. You cannot even understand how they need to work together and how one funds the other. You look at them as siloes, but they are coordinated. The cities generate the tax revenues. You know why? It is where the most people are, the most businesses, and the most products are produced and sold. You fail on every level. You would interest me if you only you had a brain. Good luck Tin Man.
 
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nickqt

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well, you know. sure....but my thinking at this point is that he seems isolated enough, again if all this is true, and there's enough history of competent Russian military leadership finding ways to not process orders from the Premier that would lead to the sand-making of their country.

...so, I'm kinda less worried about that, really? Putin can't push a button on his own. I think if it got down to one of those Nixonesque cocktail evenings, Putin would actually end up with a cavern in his skull, instead of "just being ignored," as Kissinger was known to do on those nights.
The oligarchs who own and operate Russia are all fascist ultra-nationalists (I repeat myself). They all spin around in the same circles. And while they may not make as much money with this war going on, most of them are eyeing the long game, not just another billion laundered and sitting in the West for another vacation and mistress.

They've been reading and implementing the type of political ideology as written in this book:

Slowly encroach upon neighbors and annex land. Ukraine is "nonsense" and is actually Russia. Sow discord within the United States so it loses its power and/or breaks up into smaller pieces (This part was Trump 2015-2021...the US leaving potentially leaving NATO, Russia getting special treatment by Trump, etc, and it will continue to accelerate if the fascists continue to win elections here.) Get Britain to leave the EU (Russian "troll farms" are actually cyber warfare, hello) weakening the EU and turning Britain into, wait for it...Airstrip One for the US.

So, I don't buy the "Putin is alone and sad" thing. He's doing just fine. He may not be able to annex Ukraine, but he isn't going to just disappear into one of his palaces and binge watch storage wars.

I just hope that there isn't a nuclear exchange...because there is definitely a non-zero chance that nuclear weapons get used.

I've said it here and elsewhere, but the Oceania vs. Eurasia vs. Eastasia thing is the current trajectory, and we're starting to see Eurasia attempting to consolidate. Next up is Eastasia with Taiwan/southeast Asia.

Oceania is still mostly pursuing the whole individualistic democratic republic thing...for how much longer depends on what is happening right now in Ukraine. What I'm hoping is that after Putin's puppet got kicked out, Putin lost his ability to just accept Ukraine back into Russia via a Ukrainian puppet giving it to him. If he fails to annex Ukraine via war, I don't think a pro-Russian puppet will be able to get elected and just hand Ukraine over to Russia, "postponing" Ukraine "rejoining" Russia.

We all get to watch it in near-realtime I guess.
 

NWRMidnight

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What? The city is in the county...
But the Cities and Counties have their own respective government, seperate taxes and seperate funding.
The city is also in the state, but also a separate government from the state.
Money between city, state and county treasuries do not intermix.
How hard of a concept is this?
Obviously for you, it's an extremely hard concept to understand, since you have no clue how State/local tax dollars intermix. Nearly every entity of local (city or county) government is funded by federal, state, county, and local tax dollars. Just like every state is funded by federal, state, and local tax dollars.. They are very much intermixed from the collection down to the spending of the tax dollars.
 

sao123

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Obviously for you, it's an extremely hard concept to understand, since you have no clue how State/local tax dollars intermix. Nearly every entity of local (city or county) government is funded by federal, state, county, and local tax dollars. Just like every state is funded by federal, state, and local tax dollars.. They are very much intermixed from the collection down to the spending of the tax dollars.

this may be hard for you to understand... I work for state government. I know what the rules for procurement and budgeting using state tax dollars are.
This entire line of discussion is irrelevant to this thread, and is just another attempt by Bryce to derail any attempt I make to post to a thread. This literally happens every thread, i have my own personal stalker.

Dude needs to just STFU.
 

BoomerD

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Come on guys...let's do our part to help out...

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brandonbull

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The oligarchs who own and operate Russia are all fascist ultra-nationalists (I repeat myself). They all spin around in the same circles. And while they may not make as much money with this war going on, most of them are eyeing the long game, not just another billion laundered and sitting in the West for another vacation and mistress.

They've been reading and implementing the type of political ideology as written in this book:

Slowly encroach upon neighbors and annex land. Ukraine is "nonsense" and is actually Russia. Sow discord within the United States so it loses its power and/or breaks up into smaller pieces (This part was Trump 2015-2021...the US leaving potentially leaving NATO, Russia getting special treatment by Trump, etc, and it will continue to accelerate if the fascists continue to win elections here.) Get Britain to leave the EU (Russian "troll farms" are actually cyber warfare, hello) weakening the EU and turning Britain into, wait for it...Airstrip One for the US.

So, I don't buy the "Putin is alone and sad" thing. He's doing just fine. He may not be able to annex Ukraine, but he isn't going to just disappear into one of his palaces and binge watch storage wars.

I just hope that there isn't a nuclear exchange...because there is definitely a non-zero chance that nuclear weapons get used.

I've said it here and elsewhere, but the Oceania vs. Eurasia vs. Eastasia thing is the current trajectory, and we're starting to see Eurasia attempting to consolidate. Next up is Eastasia with Taiwan/southeast Asia.

Oceania is still mostly pursuing the whole individualistic democratic republic thing...for how much longer depends on what is happening right now in Ukraine. What I'm hoping is that after Putin's puppet got kicked out, Putin lost his ability to just accept Ukraine back into Russia via a Ukrainian puppet giving it to him. If he fails to annex Ukraine via war, I don't think a pro-Russian puppet will be able to get elected and just hand Ukraine over to Russia, "postponing" Ukraine "rejoining" Russia.

We all get to watch it in near-realtime I guess.
Moron Democrats have played perfectly into Putin's hands. Cause division at every level of our country and propped up a weak Biden admin that is beholden to Russia and China. I wonder if the 1980's are still calling?
 
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NWRMidnight

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this may be hard for you to understand... I work for state government. I know what the rules for procurement and budgeting using state tax dollars are.
This entire line of discussion is irrelevant to this thread, and is just another attempt by Bryce to derail any attempt I make to post to a thread. This literally happens every thread, i have my own personal stalker.

Dude needs to just STFU.
Interesting.. So you admit that local/city governments use state tax dollars, otherwise there wouldn't be rules in place for the procurement of those state tax dollars. So they are intermixed, and part of local budgets. The rules and procurement of those state tax dollars are not in question.

If you where so worried about the relevance, why did you even respond? Also, rather than telling someone to STFU, maybe just block them.
 

biostud

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I have never supported Russia's invasion of Ukraine. I am opposed to war, end of story. I think Russia overreached a bit. However, the point is that Ukraine is hardly an innocent player here and the West is basically a puppeteer of Ukraine. I blame NATO/America for the escalation and blame Russia for taking the NATO/American bait and literally invading Ukraine. NATO should never has even attempted to expand to Ukraine, it is too costly for Russia. You can see they mean business when it comes to Ukraine being a buffer country. I mean, the West has encroached on Russia from all angles so Russia has a legitimate reason to be hesitant about Ukraine joining NATO. You may not like their reasoning.
1. Do you believe Ukraine to be a sovereign nation?
2. Should a sovereign nation be able to decide which international organizations it wants to be part of, without other nations has a say in it?
3. Should the citizens of a sovereign nation be able to hold free and democratic elections?

Just like under the cold war, it is a matter of World view and values. Do we stand up for what we believe is right or do we bow under pressure.
 
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sportage

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The bottom line will continue to be....
Do we want American troops on the ground? Or not?
Can Americans sit by and watch as an "almost" democracy nation falls to communism? Vietnam was one thing because no one had heard of Vietnam yet cared what happened, but this is different. America has considered the Soviets our mortal enemy for a long long time. Presidents like Ronald Reagan warned of the Soviets and of the Soviet intensions, yet here we are on the brink of WW3 and there seems to be some confusion on which side we are on.

What does Putin want???
Putin wants that Soviet Union before Ronald Reagan. Putin wants his pre-Reagan empire back, and intact. As long as Russia is bordered by NATO countries, Putin will not rest. Putin does not want a temporary fix, Putin wants a final solution. He want his empire. And Putin just may think a WW3 is worth it, or that when face to face America will blink.

"Many" republicans in the national spotlight support Putin and his efforts, but should Putin go after those NATO countries it will involve American troops.
How will those Putin republicans react when their sons and daughters are drafted into a WW3? And believe me.... if there is to be a WW3, then Americans will be drafted, including republican sons and daughters. YOU CAN COUNT ON THAT !!!!!!
 

BoomerD

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The bottom line will continue to be....
Do we want American troops on the ground? Or not?
Can Americans sit by and watch as an "almost" democracy nation falls to communism? Vietnam was one thing because no one had heard of Vietnam yet cared what happened, but this is different. America has considered the Soviets our mortal enemy for a long long time. Presidents like Ronald Reagan warned of the Soviets and of the Soviet intensions, yet here we are on the brink of WW3 and there seems to be some confusion on which side we are on.

What does Putin want???
Putin wants that Soviet Union before Ronald Reagan. Putin wants his pre-Reagan empire back, and intact. As long as Russia is bordered by NATO countries, Putin will not rest. Putin does not want a temporary fix, Putin wants a final solution. He want his empire. And Putin just may think a WW3 is worth it, or that when face to face America will blink.

"Many" republicans in the national spotlight support Putin and his efforts, but should Putin go after those NATO countries it will involve American troops.
How will those Putin republicans react when their sons and daughters are drafted into a WW3? And believe me.... if there is to be a WW3, then Americans will be drafted, including republican sons and daughters. YOU CAN COUNT ON THAT !!!!!!

NO, I DO N OT want to see US boots on the ground in this shitstorm. It's just not our fight...I'm fckng tired of the US being drawn into every war to be the police. Defend our borders...yes, defend US (not corporate) interests abroad...maybe

You're dreaming if you think the sons and daughters of the Republican elite will end up being drafted. Children of the "average Joe American"? Sure...we've got a long history of doing that, but the children of the wealthy and powerful always get exempted...Just ask Captain Bone Spurs.
 
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sao123

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NO, I DO N OT want to see US boots on the ground in this shitstorm. It's just not our fight...I'm fckng tired of the US being drawn into every war to be the police. Defend our borders...yes, defend US (not corporate) interests abroad...maybe

You're dreaming if you think the sons and daughters of the Republican elite will end up being drafted. Children of the "average Joe American"? Sure...we've got a long history of doing that, but the children of the wealthy and powerful always get exempted...Just ask Captain Bone Spurs.

Easier to have boots on the ground in this particular skirmish than to have to liberate the entire european continent *again*.

1 of 2 things needs to happen. Either the US is the world global police OR cut ties to the global economy and 100% domestic manufacturing and energy.
 

nickqt

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Moron Democrats have played perfectly into Putin's hands. Cause division at every level of our country and propped up a weak Biden admin that is beholden to Russia and China. I wonder if the 1980's are still calling?
Jesus Christ are you one dumb mother fucker. Put me on ignore please.
 
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brycejones

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Don't hurt yourself trying to contortionist my words.
People in the city drive and ride the bus. Public transportation in the city is an abysmal failure and its subsidation is an illegitimite use of state taxpayer dollars. State tax money should not be used to fund city anything because by definition, city is not state.
Lying is a sin.
 
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brycejones

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Easier to have boots on the ground in this particular skirmish than to have to liberate the entire european continent *again*.

1 of 2 things needs to happen. Either the US is the world global police OR cut ties to the global economy and 100% domestic manufacturing and energy.
48 hours in and you are already declaring Europe lost unless we widen the current conflict or we have to become like North Korea and become hermits.
 
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