Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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zinfamous

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UK banned all Russian commercial air carriers from its airspace. Russia retaliated by banning all UK flights from its airspace.


Which demonstrates that it is true, whatever we do to them, they can do back. Yet if lots of different countries are doing harmful things to them, they're sharing the pain of the retaliation, meaning it is spread out among different countries, while Russia takes it from everyone. Also, Russia is weak economically and hence is quite vulnerable.

A wind turbine or solar panel might just be as potent as a tank or bomb in this case. It will just take longer. But once no one needs their oil and gas, they're caput. A third world country. Their military will decay and decline along with their economy. Putin and his cronies have stolen probably half the money paid by Russian taxpayers. The long game is he's running his country into the ground.

yeah, multiplier effect.

push Putin forever into his bunker. away and away and away from all of his "friends" ne, his new enemies. isolate him. once the pressure is enough and everyone just distances themselves, he'll just Hitler himself.

t'would be nice.
 

zinfamous

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Interesting reflections in NYTimes right now on Putin, his state of mind in particular since pandemic. He's been morphing, evidently losing his mind:


“We are now all trapped in this situation,” she wrote on Thursday. “There is no exit. We Russians will spend many years digging out from the consequences of this day.”

During the pandemic, analysts had noticed a change in Mr. Putin — a man who isolated himself in a bubble of social distancing without parallel among Western leaders. In isolation, he appeared to become more aggrieved and more emotional, and increasingly spoke about his mission in stark historical terms. His public remarks descended ever deeper into distorted historiography as he spoke of the need to right perceived historical wrongs suffered by Russia over the centuries at the hands of the West.

The political scientist Gleb O. Pavlovsky, a close adviser to Mr. Putin until falling out with him in 2011, said he was stunned by the president’s dark description of Ukraine as a dire threat to Russia in his hourlong speech to the nation on Monday.

“I have no clue where he got all that — he seems to be reading something totally strange,” Mr. Pavlovsky said. “He’s become an isolated man, more isolated than Stalin was.”

Ms. Stanovaya, the analyst, said she now felt that Mr. Putin’s heightened obsession with history in recent years had become key to understanding his motivation. After all, the war against Ukraine appeared impossible to explain strategically, since it had no clear resolution and would inevitably only increase anti-Russian sentiment abroad and escalate Russia’s confrontation with the NATO alliance.


this is good stuff.

doesn't even have to be true.

print it by the millions, ship it in droves with ammo into Kyiv, let the people leave it on the ground for 22 year-old Russian soldiers, 3 months holding a rifle, find it and read it.
 

nickqt

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yeah, multiplier effect.

push Putin forever into his bunker. away and away and away from all of his "friends" ne, his new enemies. isolate him. once the pressure is enough and everyone just distances themselves, he'll just Hitler himself.

t'would be nice.
Hitler didn't have nukes.
 

zinfamous

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Hitler didn't have nukes.

well, you know. sure....but my thinking at this point is that he seems isolated enough, again if all this is true, and there's enough history of competent Russian military leadership finding ways to not process orders from the Premier that would lead to the sand-making of their country.

...so, I'm kinda less worried about that, really? Putin can't push a button on his own. I think if it got down to one of those Nixonesque cocktail evenings, Putin would actually end up with a cavern in his skull, instead of "just being ignored," as Kissinger was known to do on those nights.
 

kage69

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I dunno, the idea of some flaming alcohol + petroleum jelly being launched from from 15 different directions onto something barricaded by concrete gets my motor running.

It'd work better on troops. I can see someone on a roof dropping a few on top of a crowd of Russians using a building corner for protection. Fire works better on uniforms than steel.

You ever see a T-72 with the 2 barrels on the back end? Guess what goes in those. :smile:
 
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zinfamous

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It is a complicated matter so words such as good and bad are not meant for this discussion. But war is always bad and must be avoided. Always. However, the question is how we got here and that question is complicated.


...not really.
 

Zorba

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Sounds like “Reich-SIS”. Might be helpful now, but it might not be good when they have to go home without their caliphate…err…white nationalist dreamland.
All for letting them die for a good cause.
 

sao123

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And people in cities don’t pay gas taxes because they all ride the bus.

Don't hurt yourself trying to contortionist my words.
People in the city drive and ride the bus. Public transportation in the city is an abysmal failure and its subsidation is an illegitimite use of state taxpayer dollars. State tax money should not be used to fund city anything because by definition, city is not state.
 
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Indus

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china is watching and if things go just the right way they wiill invade Taiwan.

Well Ukraine has no importance to us but Taiwan does.

Most of our semiconductors come from there so its very important to hold down Taiwan till we have manufacturing domestically!

I'm not saying China can be kept out of Taiwan infinitely but it should expect pushback as the US Navy is the best in the world.
 

zinfamous

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I don't think that's an idle threat either. It's telling Putin out in the open what to expect should they go that route.

I guess that means that Ukraine is able to use com towers from Poland and the south, which is why Russia hasn't been able to totally shut them down, and why we're getting all the info out pretty quickly.

Russia can probably shut down those systems at will, but that was the gauntlet thrown.
 

sao123

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Well Ukraine has no importance to us but Taiwan does.

Most of our semiconductors come from there so its very important to hold down Taiwan till we have manufacturing domestically!

I'm not saying China can be kept out of Taiwan infinitely but it should expect pushback as the US Navy is the best in the world.

Not my cup of tea, but the porn industry might disagree with your assertion. A significant percent of popular adult film stars come from the Ukraine Region.
 

zinfamous

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When fskim is going off on people you know the shit has hit the fan with the scumbags. He's always kept his cool but its gotten even too much for him.

the Russian clown show in here has popped a few corks. I think the bots are getting hot.
 

sao123

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FFS we just got the hell out of Afghanistan!

Are you retarded?

No, but maybe you are? we should have never left Afghanistan to begin with.
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Muse

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I don't actually think that's how it would go. He's so far into this gambit he'll just continue to shell everything and scuttle the whole city before leaving. At least so long as all other countries stay out of it.
That's not going to make the Russian people happy. Putin's image in his own country is taking a giant hit.
 

Grey_Beard

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Don't hurt yourself trying to contortionist my words.
People in the city drive and ride the bus. Public transportation in the city is an abysmal failure and its subsidation is an illegitimite use of state taxpayer dollars. State tax money should not be used to fund city anything because by definition, city is not state.

I guess, to you, everything is a farm. Why have cities? They just generate all the tax dollars, so those should be spent on rural cucks. Another nugget of delusion.
 

zinfamous

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It'd work better on troops. I can see someone on a roof dropping a few on top of a crowd of Russians using a building corner for protection. Fire works better on uniforms than steel.

You ever see a T-72 with the 2 barrels on the back end? Guess what goes in those. :smile:

yes, but, a a few kids trapped in one of those steel things suddenly surrounded by many fire breakouts with little glass explosions, being the only thing they see outside, and then getting rushed by mobs of people they can't see....

works, maybe.

the fire doesn't just go out easy, either. even on steel.
 

IronWing

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Fuck off. I'm of Mexican descent. Don't even start your stupid shit. I am so tired of this fucking section of the forum. You cant even debate. You just attack.

Now watch....
I wasn't talking about you. When I choose to insult you, you'll know it. :)