Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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UNCjigga

Lifer
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Hey, I thought personal attacks are bad around here? Nevermind ...

Ok, back on point instead of personal attacks ...

To keep it simple for you.

America had a big hand in installing the pro-West anti-Russian puppet regime in Ukraine.
You don’t think Yanukovich was Putin’s puppet? Remind me where he lives now?
These are nasty people, liars and do not honor agreements, such as the Minsk agreement.
One typically does not honor agreements made with a gun pointed at your face.
One big violation is that the people in Eastern Ukraine must not be constantly bombarded and they should have the right to live in peacefully. That has not happened. Constant attack by the various Ukrainian factions, including some neo-Nazi factions, against the largely Russian-speaking and Russian-supporting population of Eastern Ukraine. That is a big violation of the Minsk agreement.
So do you think the “little green men” Russia sent in without even the honor of a flag on their uniform haven’t committed any war crimes? How many of these Russian-backed separatists even lived in Ukraine prior to 2014? The Minsk agreements have been violated by all parties constantly, but it was Russia who declared them dead and decided to invade.
 

raildogg

Lifer
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There are options but it is gonna be ugly as fuck for the Ukraine people. We can turn this into Russia's last Afghanistan debacle. I would bet that there are Americans that would volunteer to fight . We did it in china..
Bloodthirsty Americans trying to stir up more trouble? Not surprised. You people are literally going to start a war between America and Russia/China/Iran and many other of their allies. You think France is going to help you? LOL

Listen, Russia is a self sufficient country unlike America. When China cuts off many of the supplies to America in case of a war, America will be in big trouble. Not to mention other economic tricks China can pull due to America's massive debt. So America cannot be the big bully of the past. It is a much, much weaker country now in all aspects. The balance of power is shifting and has already shifted. A country with such a weak foundation cannot throw its weight around.
 

kage69

Lifer
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It's amazing how this thread has drawn the flies. Huh.


It is. I'm particularly amused by supporters of the GQP, the party of Jim Crow, KKK and redneck nazis, actually trying to gaslight Americans over the Azov battalion.

You'd have to have a Trump like IQ to swallow that bullshit.

Also amazing; raildogg coming back to this thread with my boot still protruding from his ass.
 

raildogg

Lifer
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I directly disputed what you said and you refused to respond.

Let’s have an easy example - you claim the west has violated agreements but Russia guaranteed Ukraine’s sovereignty and has violated that agreement. What do you think about that?
Russia is supporting the people in the East indirectly. There is little evidence of direct Russian troop involvement there. Maybe in 2014 maybe but not much more than that. This is not so different than UK and America supplying billions of dollars of arms to Ukraine from the West.
 

raildogg

Lifer
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It is. I'm particularly amused by supporters of the GQP, the party of Jim Crow, KKK and redneck nazis, actually trying to gaslight Americans over the Azov battalion.

You'd have to have a Trump like IQ to swallow that bullshit.

Also amazing; raildogg coming back to this thread with my boot still protruding from his ass.
My job is to educate, period. The people here can either choose to learn or choose to ignore the information being provided. I am not here for games, awards or medal or popularity. Education and learning, period.

Were you a school bully at one point, kage69?
 

fskimospy

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Russia is supporting the people in the East indirectly. There is little evidence of direct Russian troop involvement there. Maybe in 2014 maybe but not much more than that. This is not so different than UK and America supplying billions of dollars of arms to Ukraine from the West.
Russia is currently attempting to occupy Ukraine’s capital.

Can you explain how is does not violate Russia’s agreements?
 

raildogg

Lifer
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Russia is currently attempting to occupy Ukraine’s capital.

Can you explain how is does not violate Russia’s agreements?
I have never supported Russia's invasion of Ukraine. I am opposed to war, end of story. I think Russia overreached a bit. However, the point is that Ukraine is hardly an innocent player here and the West is basically a puppeteer of Ukraine. I blame NATO/America for the escalation and blame Russia for taking the NATO/American bait and literally invading Ukraine. NATO should never has even attempted to expand to Ukraine, it is too costly for Russia. You can see they mean business when it comes to Ukraine being a buffer country. I mean, the West has encroached on Russia from all angles so Russia has a legitimate reason to be hesitant about Ukraine joining NATO. You may not like their reasoning.
 

Pens1566

Lifer
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So, yeah. Stoltenberg is saying a cyber attack on any NATO member by Russia will trigger Article 5.


Oooooooh shit.

I don't think that's an idle threat either. It's telling Putin out in the open what to expect should they go that route.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
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I would like to thank that nice lady talking head on MSNBC, who reminded me that someone very close to Trump's campaign is probably to blame for at least half of this shit. Does the name Manafort ring a bell?
 

fskimospy

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I have never supported Russia's invasion of Ukraine. I am opposed to war, end of story. I think Russia overreached a bit. However, the point is that Ukraine is hardly an innocent player here and the West is basically a puppeteer of Ukraine. I blame NATO/America for the escalation and blame Russia for taking the NATO/American bait and literally invading Ukraine. NATO should never has even attempted to expand to Ukraine, it is too costly for Russia. You can see they mean business when it comes to Ukraine being a buffer country. I mean, the West has encroached on Russia from all angles so Russia has a legitimate reason to be hesitant about Ukraine joining NATO. You may not like their reasoning.
It’s hard for me to take anyone seriously who thinks Ukraine entry into NATO had anything to do with this.

I mean just how naive does someone have to be? Do they not understand how international relations work?
 

nutxo

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Bloodthirsty Americans trying to stir up more trouble? Not surprised. You people are literally going to start a war between America and Russia/China/Iran and many other of their allies. You think France is going to help you? LOL

Listen, Russia is a self sufficient country unlike America. When China cuts off many of the supplies to America in case of a war, America will be in big trouble. Not to mention other economic tricks China can pull due to America's massive debt. So America cannot be the big bully of the past. It is a much, much weaker country now in all aspects. The balance of power is shifting and has already shifted. A country with such a weak foundation cannot throw its weight around.

WTF do you mean "you people"? You some kind of racist?
 

[DHT]Osiris

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My job is to educate, period. The people here can either choose to learn or choose to ignore the information being provided. I am not here for games, awards or medal or popularity. Education and learning, period.

Were you a school bully at one point, kage69?
Your job? So you admit to being paid to be here?
 
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raildogg

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It’s hard for me to take anyone seriously who thinks Ukraine entry into NATO had anything to do with this.
That is the key point from the Russian viewpoint.

Historical education is lacking here. NATO promised to Russia (Soviet Union back then) about not expanding in the early 90s but then totally did the opposite. It kept expanding more and more. This has always made Russia angry. Them not trusting NATO after that is understandable.
 

raildogg

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Your job? So you admit to being paid to be here?
My job is not meant literally. It's trying to show people information and helping them make sense of things. I don't need to do it but I do it anyway. In this day of the world going crazy, people deserve to know what is actually happening.
 
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raildogg

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Probably Chinese national doing Pooh Bear’s bidding.
Oh nice, another personal attack and this time it's even racist. Man, you guys are hardcore. But that won't stop me from educating you guys and showing you what's going on. That's more important than me getting insulted here.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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My job is not meant literally. It's trying to show people information and helping them make sense of things. I don't need to do it but I do it anyway. In this day of the world going crazy, people deserve to know what is actually happening.
Shit, so you do this for free? You know Russia would pay you for such artisanal gaslighting right?
 
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raildogg

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Shit, so you do this for free? You know Russia would pay you for such artisanal gaslighting right?
The ones who know, know. It's not about Russia or any other country. The truth is universal and will help all of humanity. Showing humanity the truth is very important. But yes, we are flawed human beings but we should try to do what we can. The world is a crazy place right now so nationalistic mentality needs to be removed.
 

Grey_Beard

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I have never supported Russia's invasion of Ukraine. I am opposed to war, end of story. I think Russia overreached a bit. However, the point is that Ukraine is hardly an innocent player here and the West is basically a puppeteer of Ukraine. I blame NATO/America for the escalation and blame Russia for taking the NATO/American bait and literally invading Ukraine. NATO should never has even attempted to expand to Ukraine, it is too costly for Russia. You can see they mean business when it comes to Ukraine being a buffer country. I mean, the West has encroached on Russia from all angles so Russia has a legitimate reason to be hesitant about Ukraine joining NATO. You may not like their reasoning.

You make zero sense. So, the country that put their desire to join NATO in their constitution is a buffer country? Who voted you or Puty World King? Ukraine decides if they are a buffer country. It’s clear to everyone else that they decided not to be a buffer and have picked a side. Puty is upset over that. It’s a good excuse for him to lie to hide his true intentions.

You seem to be upset that the true three dimensional chess player is Biden. He left nothing under the covers. Humpty Trumpy would have been wrecking NATO and letting Puty have Ukraine since we wanted the Humpty Trumpy Moscow hotel. It’s always about what’s best for Puty and Humpty Trumpty. Just admit it, you and all the others were wrong, what Biden did was the right and best move.

It’s time to crawl back under your rock.
 
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