Russia new servant.

[iGas]

Israel to U.S.: Opposing Russia would endanger our security

White House remains incensed over Jerusalem’s breaking of ranks over Ukraine...

According to the Israeli official, Israel told the Americans,in a series of talks with at various levels, that even if it had supported of condemning Russia, the significance for the United States would be only symbolic. However, it could have meant real damage to Israel’s ties with Russia...

It seems as if Israel has found a new master, or the very least a new friend. IMHO, the US should cut the umbilical cord and stop all aid to Israel.

 

[OCGuy]

My favorite anti-Semite troll......best name of all time.

 

[Fern]

I've been reading about such things. Obama's 'soft' (or do nothing) foreign policy has nations backing away from us and in some cases moving over to Russia.

Fern

 

[LegendKiller]

That's the problem when you let the Truman Doctrine fall by the way side in the name of being a fucking pussy.

 

[iGas]

My favorite anti-Semite troll......best name of all time.

First reply is from an apologists who would label anyone that disagree with Israel policy.

Perhaps it is not far from the truth here, but it seems as if 1/2 17.22% of Israeli population are from Russia the former USSR and still have ties with "Mother Russia".

 

[Fern]

I don't think think Russian heritage has much to do with it:

In Poland, where Biden previously rushed to calm the uncertainties, 59% of the Polish people believe Russia is threatening their national security.

Poland, a close American ally, has doubts about America’s commitment to stopping Russian Imperialism.

In Saudi Arabia, there are concerns that the U.S. will allow Iran both to control Syria and to build a nuclear bomb.

Afraid of being abandoned, the Saudis have made the very dangerous move of trying to replace America’s friendship with Pakistan’s, recently giving the terrorist-haven a $1.5 billion “friendly gift.”

The Israeli Defense Minister recently conceded that the Jewish state can no longer rely on the U.S. to deal with Iran. He repeatedly used the word “weakness” to describe the perception of America not just in Israel and Iran but around the world.

In Japan, fears of a weak U.S. in the face of Chinese aggression are leading to the first Japanese military buildup since World War II.

In Germany, a country that does not take Hitler comparisons lightly, the Finance Minister said of Putin’s Crimea gambit, “Those are the methods that Hitler has applied in the Sudetenland” -- a warning not to Berlin, but to Washington.

The people of Venezuela understand the Poles’, Saudis’, Israelis’ and Japanese fears of not being able to count on the Obama administration. And so do the people of the Balkans and Georgia.

Obama’s "war or ignore" philosophy is causing real fears for the people around the world who are fighting for greater liberty, human rights and against aggression.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014...to-war-or-just-ignore-crisis/?intcmp=HPBucket

Fern

 

[DominionSeraph]

I've been reading about such things. Obama's 'soft' (or do nothing) foreign policy has nations backing away from us and in some cases moving over to Russia.

Fern

Hey, don't forget it's also he's too hard! I mean, unilaterally going into Pakistan to take out Bin Laden and "illegally" attacking Libya. Dang, it's like no matter what he does conservative talk points out that he should've done something else.

 

[fskimospy]

I don't think think Russian heritage has much to do with it:



http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014...to-war-or-just-ignore-crisis/?intcmp=HPBucket

Fern

Wow, what a ridiculous op-ed. I like how the author talks about Obama's lack of action against Russia over Ukraine makes US allies nervous because the US can't be trusted. Then he talks about how Bush was willing to stand up for freedom and our allies knew it. All while ignoring the fact that Bush let Russia do something almost identical to Georgia during his tenure. Oops!

How do people keep getting duped by these ridiculous editorials on fox?

 

[OCGuy]

Russia is not a fan of Israel. The US and Russia, before the recent chill in relations, utilized a quid-pro-quo system to prevent a war with Iran.

Russia flat-out cancelled the S-300 contract with Iran, and the US delayed the external fuel tanks and advanced bunker buster bombs that Israel needed to be able to do enough damage to the Persian weapons program to be worth it.

First reply is from an apologists who would label anyone that disagree with Israel policy.

If you say so. I tend to analyze each situation independently, which isn't necessarily some special achievement, but around here its hen's teeth.

I am fully aware of the USS Liberty false-flag murders, and I am for cutting the majority of aide to not just Tel Aviv, but everyone.

 

[shady28]

First reply is from an apologists who would label anyone that disagree with Israel policy.

Perhaps it is not far from the truth here, but it seems as if 1/2 of Israeli population are Russians and still have ties with "Mother Russia".

First post was by someone who apparently pigeonholed you quite accurately as an anti-semite.

Here are some quotes from other threads / posts from you :

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=35619754&highlight=jew#post35619754

"News flash the Zionist stating the obvious against terrorists, but the truth is that this Neo Nazi ..."

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=32989462&highlight=jew#post32989462

"IMHO, Israel/American Jew fundies are not democratic..."

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=32128827&highlight=jew#post32128827

"If the Israelis go any lower it would be at the same level as Nazi Germany & Stalin..."

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=32035335&highlight=jew#post32035335

"If bullying is tolerated then why the US started and supported the UN?

And, why prosecuted the Nazi for bullying the Jews? "



I mean really, it's pretty clear you're some kind of pro Nazi apologist / anti-semite.

 

[Fern]

Wow, what a ridiculous op-ed. I like how the author talks about Obama's lack of action against Russia over Ukraine makes US allies nervous because the US can't be trusted. Then he talks about how Bush was willing to stand up for freedom and our allies knew it. All while ignoring the fact that Bush let Russia do something almost identical to Georgia during his tenure. Oops!

How do people keep getting duped by these ridiculous editorials on fox?

Any comment on the substance?

What about Saudi Arabia?

What about Israel?

Japan?

Fern

 

[iGas]

I don't think think Russian heritage has much to do with it:



http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014...to-war-or-just-ignore-crisis/?intcmp=HPBucket

Fern

Thanks, for clearing that up.

It is insane if not dangerous for the Saudi to buddy up with Pakistan, but I'm not entirely surprise since the Saudi did had a hand with 9/11. Poles have had a long and difficult history with Russia, and IMHO the US should support them. As for the Japanese, they should have the right to defend themselves specially vs. expansionist China (see, Tibet, territory dispute vs. India, Vietnam, Malaysia, Philippine, Brunei, Taiwan, and Japan).

 

[iGas]

First post was by someone who apparently pigeonholed you quite accurately as an anti-semite.

Here are some quotes from other threads / posts from you :

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=35619754&highlight=jew#post35619754

"News flash the Zionist stating the obvious against terrorists, but the truth is that this Neo Nazi ..."

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=32989462&highlight=jew#post32989462

"IMHO, Israel/American Jew fundies are not democratic..."

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=32128827&highlight=jew#post32128827

"If the Israelis go any lower it would be at the same level as Nazi Germany & Stalin..."

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=32035335&highlight=jew#post32035335

"If bullying is tolerated then why the US started and supported the UN?

And, why prosecuted the Nazi for bullying the Jews? "



I mean really, it's pretty clear you're some kind of pro Nazi apologist / anti-semite.

Those are replies to Neo Nazis, who seems to believe that Zionism is God given right. And, the only rights that is above everyone else rights.

IMHO, what the Nazi did to the Jew is unforgivable, hence we shouldn't let something like that ever happen again. Therefor we shouldn't let the Zionist repeat history.

PS. It shows that you are truly a sorry apologist who missed paraphrase my quotes to serve your purpose. Perhaps it would be a bit more credible if you bother to quote my entire posts and the posts that I replied to.

 

[fskimospy]

Any comment on the substance?

What about Saudi Arabia?

What about Israel?

Japan?

Fern

That was a comment in the substance. The authors conclusion is absurd when he leaves out a blindingly obvious counter example because it doesn't fit his narrative.

 

[shady28]

Any comment on the substance?

What about Saudi Arabia?

What about Israel?

Japan?

Fern

You should open it as a different topic on deteriorating US international relations / standing in general - and there are lots of links outside of Fox that could be given. It really doesn't have much to do with OP's Israel / Russia relations post.

 

[Fern]

You should open it as a different topic on deteriorating US international relations / standing in general - and there are lots of links outside of Fox that could be given. It really doesn't have much to do with OP's Israel / Russia relations post.

To you first point: perhaps.

As to the second I suspect it does. I believe Israel's primary concern is Iran & nuclear weapons. If the Obama admin won't be of any help maybe Russia will.

Fern

 

[shady28]

To you first point: perhaps.

As to the second I suspect it does. I believe Israel's primary concern is Iran & nuclear weapons. If the Obama admin won't be of any help maybe Russia will.

Fern

I think that thought process would be misguided. Russia and Iran are fairly close. Possibly they would seek to neutralize that relationship by becoming closer to Russia, but that would be a dangerous game indeed.


"Deputy FM: Russia to Continue Boosting Ties with Iran despite US Sanctions"

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13930125000776


"U.S. warns Russia over any oil-for-goods deal with Iran"

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/10/us-usa-russia-iran-idUSBREA391Y920140410


"Russia Says Deal With Iran To Follow UN, Not U.S. Rules"

http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-iran-deal-un-rules/25329306.html

 

[iGas]

To you first point: perhaps.

As to the second I suspect it does. I believe Israel's primary concern is Iran & nuclear weapons. If the Obama admin won't be of any help maybe Russia will.

Fern

Perhaps, you are right that Israel main concern is nuclear capable Iran. However, it is inevitable that every country that worth their salt will seek nuclear weapons, because they fears countries that possess nuclear weapons. And, maybe it make more sense for Israel to befriend Iran through diplomatic and economic means since threatening them hasn't work.

I do not see Israel cozy up with Russia is a positive thing for Israel, unless Russia willing to give greater aides to Israel. And, Russia reassure Israel that they will help them unconditionally support vs. Iran.

 

[Fern]

I think that thought process would be misguided. Russia and Iran are fairly close. Possibly they would seek to neutralize that relationship by becoming closer to Russia, but that would be a dangerous game indeed.


"Deputy FM: Russia to Continue Boosting Ties with Iran despite US Sanctions"

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13930125000776


"U.S. warns Russia over any oil-for-goods deal with Iran"

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/10/us-usa-russia-iran-idUSBREA391Y920140410


"Russia Says Deal With Iran To Follow UN, Not U.S. Rules"

http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-iran-deal-un-rules/25329306.html

I don't think the point would be to disrupt Russia's and Iran's relationship. Not at all. I think Israel wants to capitalize on or utilize Russia's relationship to its benefit.

Putin wants to minimize the US, and everything I've read said he wants to increase Russia's influence in the M.E. Israel is not alone, not by a long shot, in its concern about Iran and possible nukes. Russia has an opportunity to step up as world leader, marginalizing us, using its relationship with Iran to resolve the issue. I don't think Israel cares at this point who solves it, and feeling the Obama admin won't, sees no need to disincentivize Russia from helping.

Fern

 

[Fern]

Perhaps, you are right that Israel main concern is nuclear capable Iran. However, it is inevitable that every country that worth their salt will seek nuclear weapons, because they fears countries that possess nuclear weapons. And, maybe it make more sense for Israel to befriend Iran through diplomatic and economic means since threatening them hasn't work.

I do not see Israel cozy up with Russia is a positive thing for Israel, unless Russia willing to give greater aides to Israel. And, Russia reassure Israel that they will help them unconditionally support vs. Iran.

Of course my remarks on this topic are just speculation.

I don't see Iran, an Islamic theocracy, cozying up with Israel.

I could see Russia entering into a NATO-type defense pact with M.E. countries, thus greatly expanding its stature and influence. If Iran feels it needs nuke weapons to keep us at bay, a pact with Russia would accomplish the same goal.

Fern

 

[iGas]

Of course my remarks on this topic are just speculation.

I don't see Iran, an Islamic theocracy, cozying up with Israel.

I could see Russia entering into a NATO-type defense pact with M.E. countries, thus greatly expanding its stature and influence. If Iran feels it needs nuke weapons to keep us at bay, a pact with Russia would accomplish the same goal.

Fern

I hope that the US admin deter a NATO type pact between Russia and the ME if that is true.

 

[theeedude]

First reply is from an apologists who would label anyone that disagree with Israel policy.

Perhaps it is not far from the truth here, but it seems as if 1/2 of Israeli population are Russians and still have ties with "Mother Russia".

You aren't good at math. It's 1/2 of the 35% that were born abroad, so it's only 17% who were born in USSR, and USSR included not just Russia, but also Ukraine and other republics.

 

[iGas]

You aren't good at math. It's 1/2 of the 35% that were born abroad, so it's only 17% who were born in USSR, and USSR included not just Russia, but also Ukraine and other republics.

Thanks for pointing it out to me. I'll correct it.

 

[OBLAMA2009]

the israelis are smart, they understand you gotta have a balance of power on the planet (they even supported the south african apartheid govt), and right now the us has too much of a technological and military advantage over other countries. supporting russia is the best thing to do right now for world peace

 

[Pr0d1gy]

LMFAO @ this thread.