Russia massing troops on Iran's border

[schneiderguy]

http://articles.businessinsider.com...fense-ministry-military-action-dmitry-rogozin

WASHINGTON – The Russian military anticipates that an attack will occur on Iran by the summer and has developed an action plan to move Russian troops through neighboring Georgia to stage in Armenia, which borders on the Islamic republic, according to informed Russian sources.

Russian Security Council head Viktor Ozerov said that Russian General Military Headquarters has prepared an action plan in the event of an attack on Iran.

Dmitry Rogozin, who recently was the Russian ambassador to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, or NATO, warned against an attack on Iran.

"Iran is our neighbor," Rogozin said. "If Iran is involved in any military action, it's a direct threat to our security." Rogozin now is the deputy Russian prime minister and is regarded as anti-Western. He oversees Russia's defense sector.

Russian Defense Ministry sources say that the Russian military doesn't believe that Israel has sufficient military assets to defeat Iranian defenses and further believes that U.S. military action will be necessary.

The implication of preparing to move Russian troops not only is to protect its own vital regional interests but possibly to assist Iran in the event of such an attack. Sources add that a Russian military buildup in the region could result in the Russian military potentially engaging Israeli forces, U.S. forces, or both.

Informed sources say that the Russians have warned of "unpredictable consequences" in the event Iran is attacked, with some Russians saying that the Russian military will take part in the possible war because it would threaten its vital interests in the region.

The influential Russian Nezavisimaya Gazeta newspaper has quoted a Russian military source as saying that the situation forming around Syria and Iran "causes Russia to expedite the course of improvement of its military groups in the South Caucasus, the Caspian, Mediterranean and Black Sea regions."

This latest information comes from a series of reports and leaks from official Russian spokesmen and government news agencies who say that an Israeli attack is all but certain by the summer.

Because of the impact on Russian vital interests in the region, sources say that Russian preparations for such an attack began two years ago when Russian Military Base 102 in Gyumri, Armenia, was modernized. It is said to occupy a major geopolitical position in the region.

Families of Russian servicemen from the Russian base at Gyumri in Armenia close to the borders of Georgia and Turkey already have been evacuated, Russian sources say.

Good for Russia, I'm glad they're helping Iran stand up to the region's bully. :thumbsup:

Also, your daily reminder that a vote for someone other than Dr. Paul this November is a vote for another costly war in the Middle East for our Jewish overlords.

 

[davmat787]

And by 'neighbor' Russia really means 'large source of income via arms and nuclear stuff' right? But whatever, hard to fault a country for protecting its own interests. I do wonder what Georgia is thinking of all this, Russia didn't exactly play nice with them a few years back IIRC.

 

[Rebel44]

Russia have neither reason nor ability to defend Iran from US attack.

Anyone who thinks that russian airforce is able to win against USAF + IAF is on some really good drugs.

USA can use F-22s to wipe out all enemy aircraft in their area of operations.

 

[gevorg]

Armenia is mostly preparing for heavy inflow of refugees and civilian casualties from the war. There are also concerns that a massive bombing of Iran would spike seismic activity in the region.

Russia have neither reason nor ability to defend Iran from US attack.

Anyone who thinks that russian airforce is able to win against USAF + IAF is on some really good drugs.

USA can use F-22s to wipe out all enemy aircraft in their area of operations.

 

[Dari]

I stopped reading at

developed an action plan to move Russian troops through neighboring Georgia

There is no way in Hell that Georgia would allow Russin troops onto its territory after the beating they took in 2008 and their subsequent loss of territory. Add to that that a former KGB official has "won" the presidency of South Ossieta (Georgian territory) and dreams of merging it with North Ossieta (Russian territory) and this article seems all the more laughable.

 

[Texashiker]

Maybe russia knows something we dont

 

[Rebel44]

......

1. There are also concerns that a massive bombing of Iran would spike seismic activity in the region.

2.

1. hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Your understanding of physics is IMO rather weak.

2. Do you have any argument to the contrary?

 

[gevorg]

I stopped reading at


There is no way in Hell that Georgia would allow Russin troops onto its territory after the beating they took in 2008 and their subsequent loss of territory. Add to that that a former KGB official has "won" the presidency of South Ossieta (Georgian territory) and dreams of merging it with North Ossieta (Russian territory) and this article seems all the more laughable.

What makes you think they'll ask? Georgia to Russia is like Pakistan to USA.

"Possibly, it will be necessary to use military means to breach the Georgian transport blockade and establish transport corridors leading into Armenia," according to Yury Netkachev, former deputy commander of Russian forces in Transcaucasia.

 

[Jaskalas]

And by 'neighbor' Russia really means 'large source of income via arms and nuclear stuff' right? But whatever, hard to fault a country for protecting its own interests. I do wonder what Georgia is thinking of all this, Russia didn't exactly play nice with them a few years back IIRC.

Georgia's 'say' is to bow its head as all servants do.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Agreed. The Georgians will hamper the Russian march through their territory and hammer at the supply lines. Very tough undertaking.

I stopped reading at


There is no way in Hell that Georgia would allow Russin troops onto its territory after the beating they took in 2008 and their subsequent loss of territory. Add to that that a former KGB official has "won" the presidency of South Ossieta (Georgian territory) and dreams of merging it with North Ossieta (Russian territory) and this article seems all the more laughable.

 

[Dari]

What makes you think they'll ask? Georgia to Russia is like Pakistan to USA.

Unless they want a full-blown World War then they will not just march across international borders without permission. Unlike 2008 the Russians will be the aggressors here. And that could complicate things on many fronts. I don't think Russia is eager to piss off the world for the sake of Iran.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Georgia's 'say' is to bow its head as all servants do.

Not so sure about that. The Russian .mil would be vulnerable. I really wonder if the Georgians could pass up the opportunity.

 

[gevorg]

1. hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Your understanding of physics is IMO rather weak.

2. Do you have any argument to the contrary?

1. Speak for yourself, the whole Caucasus region is seismic by itself.

2. S-300/400 systems will take down IAF's F-15/16/18 planes like flies. Unknown with F-22. And they don't have to be positioned in Iran.

 

[Jhhnn]

The Russians are just re-iterating the message that everybody else is sending to the Israelis- "Don't get stupid."

While the scenario laid out is dubious, the message is clear.

 

[gevorg]

Unless they want a full-blown World War then they will not just march across international borders without permission. Unlike 2008 the Russians will be the aggressors here. And that could complicate things on many fronts. I don't think Russia is eager to piss off the world for the sake of Iran.

US/NATO invaded multiple countries in the past decade, and that did not start any World Wars (all-Muslim revolt was a common boogeyman). I don't think that Russia will invade Georgia too, I just say that they *can* if they need to. The easiest solution would probably be $$$.

 

[crashtestdummy]

Agreed. The Georgians will hamper the Russian march through their territory and hammer at the supply lines. Very tough undertaking.

I think that's the point. The US hasn't indicated any real interest in an invasion, and the Russians wouldn't be able to mobilize anything to prevent airstrikes. Russia is basically telling the US that that price of action against Iran is Georgia.

 

[senseamp]

Agreed. The Georgians will hamper the Russian march through their territory and hammer at the supply lines. Very tough undertaking.

Their president will chew his tie, duck and cover

 

[Jhhnn]

I think that's the point. The US hasn't indicated any real interest in an invasion, and the Russians wouldn't be able to mobilize anything to prevent airstrikes. Russia is basically telling the US that that price of action against Iran is Georgia.

Incorrect.

The Russians can deploy several potent air defense systems to Iran-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-300VM

As well as interceptor aircraft should they choose to do so.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Their president will chew his tie, duck and cover

Never know. It would be a tough opportunity to pass up. Even if Georgia just let them through, they could still screw with the supply lines. Not the best alternative for Russia.

 

[dawheat]

1. Speak for yourself, the whole Caucasus region is seismic by itself.

2. S-300/400 systems will take down IAF's F-15/16/18 planes like flies. Unknown with F-22. And they don't have to be positioned in Iran.

The problem with the S-300/400 systems is that even though they technically are "mobile", the time to relocate after shooting is >5 minutes. No SAM system is going to survive long against a coordinated electronic and anti-SAM attack without the ability to shoot and scoot.

Not to say they won't take down a bunch of older gen aircraft, but after a few days, they'll be an afterthought.

And frankly, untested Russian military hardware isn't as scary as it was 25 years ago.

 

[bfdd]

With a War Monger like Hillary as our Sec of State this does not bode well.

 

[crashtestdummy]

Incorrect.

The Russians can deploy several potent air defense systems to Iran-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-300VM

As well as interceptor aircraft should they choose to do so.

The ability to hand such systems over to the Iranians has little to do with the plans being described in the article. The article is discussing the movement of large numbers of troops to the regional border with Iran, through Georgia. Such a plan would not make the Russians any more capable of preventing an American strike on Iran's nuclear facilities.

 

[Vic Vega]

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[Jhhnn]

Never know. It would be a tough opportunity to pass up. Even if Georgia just let them through, they could still screw with the supply lines. Not the best alternative for Russia.

Yawn. Russia can deploy men & material directly to Iran via the Caspian, either by water or air, and can also do so via Kazakhstan & Tukmenistan.

If they set their minds to it, they could easily annihilate Georgian forces, as well. They've never been known to be squeamish about collateral damage, at all. They'll knock the place flat, if that's what it takes.

Like I offered- it's a message to the Israelis & the US- "Don't get stupid." I'm sure Obama gets it, but Netanyahu may be a different story.

 

[gevorg]

The problem with the S-300/400 systems is that even though they technically are "mobile", the time to relocate after shooting is >5 minutes. No SAM system is going to survive long against a coordinated electronic and anti-SAM attack without the ability to shoot and scoot.

Not to say they won't take down a bunch of older gen aircraft, but after a few days, they'll be an afterthought.

And frankly, untested Russian military hardware isn't as scary as it was 25 years ago.

Of course, I'm not saying that S-300/400 (or any other SAM), are completely invulnerable, they would just make the war a lot more difficult (hence why Israel stirred a huge deal about selling SAMs to Iran). You can even take them down on the first day if you send in enough aircraft and tomahawks to overwhelm the SAMs.

The "older gen" aircraft is the majority of the fleet of USAF and IAF. Russians do test their equipment at home, like missile test/shootdown from European side to the far east, so scary or not, they still have the same, if not better, capabilities. They're not as "experienced" as US, but not far off, considering that 99% of the enemy military that US/NATO faces is generations behind them and does not really put out a real test. Anyway, the US vs Russia war is nothing more than political masturbation.