Russia and Venezuela announce nuclear union

[Sclamoz]

I'm not surprised by this. For years, the US and its allies have been sneaking into Russia's backyard. I guess it's fair for them to do so. Venezuela would be crazy to go down the path of developing nuclear weapons. It's not just the US that will fear any such development. Countries in that region will certainly be rattled by such a development and may provoke war.

I don't think Venezuela would be crazy to develop them at all. Once a country has nukes they become almost impossible to consider attacking, couple that with the fact they have one of the largest deposits of oil in the world so it makes it painful to sanction them. But this is a civilian nuke program for the time being so that's a separate story.

If I were the president I would wait a while and then offer to build a nuclear plant in Georgia or even the Ukraine. In return ask military base and to put some anti-ballistic missiles in their country. I'm sure as soon Russia would be happy to stop selling weapons and building the reactor in Venezuela if we promise not to do the same in their backyard

 

[piasabird]

This is just what we need. Proliferation of nuclear weapons in South America should make life a lot easier in the USA.

 

[Jhhnn]

This is just what we need. Proliferation of nuclear weapons in South America should make life a lot easier in the USA.

Jump to conclusions much?

 

[lsquare]

I don't think Venezuela would be crazy to develop them at all. Once a country has nukes they become almost impossible to consider attacking, couple that with the fact they have one of the largest deposits of oil in the world so it makes it painful to sanction them. But this is a civilian nuke program for the time being so that's a separate story.

True, which is why I said invading Iran would be a big mistake in another thread. Same reason applies here.

If I were the president I would wait a while and then offer to build a nuclear plant in Georgia or even the Ukraine. In return ask military base and to put some anti-ballistic missiles in their country. I'm sure as soon Russia would be happy to stop selling weapons and building the reactor in Venezuela if we promise not to do the same in their backyard

I would love if Obama orchestrated something like that, but realistically it's not going to happen. Like I said before, Venezuela doesn't border the US, but Georgia borders Russia. Placing missiles or helping the Georgians to start a nuclear power program is like codeword for war to the Russians.

 

[Colt45]

If I were the president I would wait a while and then offer to build a nuclear plant in Georgia or even the Ukraine.

Chernobyl sound vaguely familiar? There's already reactors in Ukraine.

They have Europe's largest NPP.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaporizhzhia_Nuclear_Power_Plant

In return ask military base and to put some anti-ballistic missiles in their country. I'm sure as soon Russia would be happy to stop selling weapons and building the reactor in Venezuela if we promise not to do the same in their backyard

Good luck with that. You can't do something to a country that deep in Russia's sphere of influence without causing WWIII. Russia still has troops in Georgia FFS.

As for the weapons portion, the US has sold (and even gifted) weapons to plenty of unsavoury elements, so I wouldn't go all high and mighty.

 

[TruePaige]

lol, let's keep things in perspective here. Georgia borders Russia and Venezuela doesn't border the US. Arming the Georgians with nukes or helping Georgia develop a nuclear power program will no doubt irritate the Russians. It's also unfair given the two extreme examples that I had given.

What's the difference between an irritated Russian and a non-irritated Russian?

Both groups are too good at "Putin" me off!

 

[Acanthus]

Fuck, we're almost surrounded.

We are on a big sphere, technically we would always be surrounded by enemies

 

[irishScott]

Putin said it all. This is enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend stuff. They're not really giving Venezuela that much.

 

[lsquare]

What's the difference between an irritated Russian and a non-irritated Russian?

Both groups are too good at "Putin" me off!

Dude, I'm not going to repeat myself again. I've already explained two times why the two scenarios are not the same.

At the same time, Venezuela feels threatened because of the recent US-Colombia deal where US military personnel can use Colombian bases in the country. Also, this really ain't much of a threat to US national security anyways. Venezuela is poor and if Chavez is crazy enough to provoke war, we'll just bomb the shit out of his troops. Chavez has a big mouth and thinks he's a force to be reckoned with, but in reality he knows he's not a big player.

Russia will soon learn that its loans to Venezuela will be a big mistake. The Venezuelan economy is poorly run and iirc, it's still in recession. When the time comes for repayment, I'd imagine Chavez or his associates will ask for a refinancing of the loan or default. In a way this is very similar to what happened to the Soviet Union when countries failed to pay back the Soviets for their loans.

 

[lsquare]

We are on a big sphere, technically we would always be surrounded by enemies

Not really man. Our enemies are located to the west and south. I don't think you would want to call Canada and Europe to be enemies of the US.

 

[TruePaige]

Dude, I'm not going to repeat myself again. I've already explained two times why the two scenarios are not the same.

At the same time, Venezuela feels threatened because of the recent US-Colombia deal where US military personnel can use Colombian bases in the country. Also, this really ain't much of a threat to US national security anyways. Venezuela is poor and if Chavez is crazy enough to provoke war, we'll just bomb the shit out of his troops. Chavez has a big mouth and thinks he's a force to be reckoned with, but in reality he knows he's not a big player.

Russia will soon enough learn that its loans to Venezuela will be a big mistake. The Venezuelan economy is poorly run and iirc, it's still in recession. When the time comes for repayment, I'd imagine Chavez or his associates will ask for a refinancing of the loan or default. In a way this is very similar to what happened to the Soviet Union when countries failed to pay back the Soviets for their loans.

Did you not get that I was joking in either post?