Rush Limbaugh is a Big Mean Idiot

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman
yep, MJF is just playin' up Parkinson's for the hell of it....

/some of you are just so sad....

It's not for the hell of it.

He's a sell out. this commercial is disgusting for the candidate and for MJF. I've lost all respect for him.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
A July 18th interview with Mr. Fox on ABCs Good Morning America, he is no where near as bad as he is in the commercial. Link

Precisely what has that to do with anything?

umm watch the video in the OP and then that video and look at the difference, duh.

You teach Medicine too?

Diseases like these often vary from day-to-day. Others get progressively worse. Watching 2 different videos means F all.

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: UberNeuman
yep, MJF is just playin' up Parkinson's for the hell of it....

/some of you are just so sad....

It's not for the hell of it.

He's a sell out. this commercial is disgusting for the candidate and for MJF. I've lost all respect for him.

Maybe he believes that Stem Cell research is very important - this makes him a sell out how?

 

[ProfJohn]

Ok, so here is the story as I understand it.

Mr. Fox shows up in this commercial for stem cell research.

Rush sees the commercial and thinks back to the last time he saw Fox on TV and thinks something is fishy.

Well, all it takes is a few searches on youtube and TADA!!! A clip of Mr. Fox from last years Boston Legal.

This was posted on May 21, 2006, but I have no idea when it was filmed. Two things are certain, either Mr. Fox's symptoms have gotten a LOT worse since then, or someone is pulling a fast one.

Watch the video and then decide. Fox on Boston Legal

BTW: apparently he is on this years show as well, I am sure a video of him will show up very fast after these allegations. Especially if he looks really normal on the show.

Ps. I am not accusing anyone of anything, just giving you the evidence and letting you decide
I also think he is perfectly within his rights to fight for stem cell research, I am sure I would do the same.
However, IF he is being dishonest then it should be brought to light.

 

[Termagant]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
A July 18th interview with Mr. Fox on ABCs Good Morning America, he is no where near as bad as he is in the commercial. Link

Precisely what has that to do with anything?

umm watch the video in the OP and then that video and look at the difference, duh.

So what, exactly, is wrong with fully showing the effects of the disease in the commercial? Maybe the disease can be variable, or perhaps he was over-drugged on Good Morning America so he wouldn't writhe out of his chair. Whether or not Fox's condition is as bad as the little campaign video shows, there are Parkinson's patients out there in worse shape. If we don't want to see diseased people we can work toward curing their ailments. And using stem cells whether adult or embryonic are the avenue that scientists see the most potential in.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
A July 18th interview with Mr. Fox on ABCs Good Morning America, he is no where near as bad as he is in the commercial. Link

Precisely what has that to do with anything?

umm watch the video in the OP and then that video and look at the difference, duh.

Have you any idea as to the nature of Parkinsons, duh? It's PERFECTLY NORMAL for sufferers to have good and bad days, often markedly so. Only the cruel or ignorant or both would think they could tell anything by a couple of appearances on TV.

 

[Termagant]

On second thought, maybe you right wringers should have Dr. Frist examine the videotape. That type of diagnosis is his specialty.

 

[catnap1972]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
A July 18th interview with Mr. Fox on ABCs Good Morning America, he is no where near as bad as he is in the commercial. Link

Precisely what has that to do with anything?

umm watch the video in the OP and then that video and look at the difference, duh.

Damn--you figured it out. He's obviously faking it to make Bush and the Republicans look bad! Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if his having Parkinsons is entirely made up and just a big conspiracy to get the Democrats back in office!

Man, you're one smart cookie PJ...here have another one->

:roll:

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: HomeAppraiser
Rush Limbaugh today accused Michael J. Fox, actor and Parkinson's Disease victim, of deliberately going off of his meds to appear on camera with exaggerated symptoms of his disease for dramatic effect. Fox appeared in a recent Clair McHaskill (D-MO) Senate campaign ad, touting the need for stem cell research. Limbaugh even goes so far as to accuse Fox of faking his symptoms all together.

link

I haven't seen Fox for some time and was quite dismayed at how bad he looks. Whether that is because of the progression of his disease (likely) or whether he skipped a dose or two of meds to appear worse than usual really doesn't matter to me.

For a moment, I thought Pabsie had an inadvertent flash of rational thought ...

What disgusts me is him stumping for Democrats, who don't give two sh!ts about his disease or stem cells.

PS, McCaskill is a joke. She's the twat who said she didn't want Bill Clinton near her daughter (presumably because of his tendencies) yet happily accepts his money when he comes in to stump on her behalf.

... then he returns to form and dumps another steaming load of the kind of hateful, win-at-all-costs partisan slime that is driving me -- and so many other Americans -- away from today's GOP. It might be dismissed if Pabsie were unique in his bottom feeding, but he was quickly joined by his equally repugnant brethren, each eager to display his own shameful lack of humanity.

 

[ProfJohn]

You know...
Let's get the soldier who lost both his arms in Iraq and is suing Michael Moore, remember that guy? And let's have him film a commercial where he gets all teary eyed and such and then says:
"we must stay in Iraq until we win, otherwise the sacrifices made be me and thousands of others will be for nothing."

Now I get the feeling that 30 seconds after that ad airs half the people in this board will be flipping out and posting how wrong it is for him to say that.
The more effective the ad is the more anger we would see as well.

The point is: Fox is suffering a horribly debilitating disease that takes a huge toll on the body. However, to politicize his suffering is just plain wrong. Especially since we have no clue if stem cells will even work in finding a cure.
It would be wrong if the right did this, and it is wrong for the left.

BTW: I am actually on the fence when it comes to stem cell research. I would want more evidence before I went either way.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
A July 18th interview with Mr. Fox on ABCs Good Morning America, he is no where near as bad as he is in the commercial. Link

Precisely what has that to do with anything?

umm watch the video in the OP and then that video and look at the difference, duh.

OK, I watched both videos and I see little difference. In fact, I thought he looked worse in the video you posted then in the commercial. Maybe if you keep looking you can find a better video to prove whatever it is your trying to prove.

I am just floored by the reaction of the righties on this. I can understand that Rush is nothing but a political hack. Hell, he gets paid for it, but the rest of you??? Sad, really sad.

 

[LegendKiller]

ProfJohn and Pabster, you guys are complete and utter tools. Parkinson's sufferers have good and bad days, some days they are as solid as rocks and others as shaky as a twig in a gale force wind. It doesn't matter how many meds they are on. Furthermore, many shows edit out MJF's "bad times" to make it appear better.

You guys will stoop to any level to try and besmirch people. I have personally seen Parkinson's sufferers in my life and it ain't pretty. You guys need to get a clue.

 

[ProfJohn]

For the record, part of what Rush actually said.

Now, people are telling me that they have seen Michael J. Fox in interviews and he does appear the same way in the interviews as he does in this commercial for Claire McCaskill. All right, then I stand corrected. I've seen him on Boston Legal. I've seen him on a number of stand-up appearances. I know he's got it; it's pitiable that he has the disease. It is a debilitating disease, and I understand that fully. Just stick with me on this.

All I'm saying is I've never seen him the way he appears in this commercial for Claire McCaskill. So I will bigly, hugely admit that I was wrong, and I will apologize to Michael J. Fox, if I am wrong in characterizing his behavior on this commercial as an act, especially since people are telling me they have seen him this way on other interviews and in other television appearances.

 

[ProfJohn]

Oh look more information on stem cell and Parkinson's

In a commercial drowning in false hope and overhype, Michael J. Fox, Claire McCaskill, and their funders don?t mention that stem-cell research ? including embryo-destroying research ? is already legal and happening not just in Missouri but across the U.S. What they also don?t tell you is that in creating a constitutional right to human cloning, the Missouri amendment is more radical than anything even the United Nations is currently willing to do. The commercial also doesn?t mention that there are some real potential drawbacks to jumping into embryonic-stem-cell research for Parkinson?s patients. Embryonic-stem-cell research is not the panacea its advocates would have you believe.

BTW: I have been a huge Fox fan since his days on familly ties. Remember Alex was a right winger

Let's see what, if any, political fall out this brings.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
ProfJohn and Pabster, you guys are complete and utter tools.

Spoken from the first tool in the drawer...

Parkinson's sufferers have good and bad days, some days they are as solid as rocks and others as shaky as a twig in a gale force wind. It doesn't matter how many meds they are on. Furthermore, many shows edit out MJF's "bad times" to make it appear better.

Don't tell me about Parkinson's, son. I have 2 family members who suffer from it.

You guys will stoop to any level to try and besmirch people. I have personally seen Parkinson's sufferers in my life and it ain't pretty. You guys need to get a clue.

See above.

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Don't tell me about Parkinson's, son. I have 2 family members who suffer from it.

What stage? What treatment?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
For the record, part of what Rush actually said.

Now, people are telling me that they have seen Michael J. Fox in interviews and he does appear the same way in the interviews as he does in this commercial for Claire McCaskill. All right, then I stand corrected. I've seen him on Boston Legal. I've seen him on a number of stand-up appearances. I know he's got it; it's pitiable that he has the disease. It is a debilitating disease, and I understand that fully. Just stick with me on this.

All I'm saying is I've never seen him the way he appears in this commercial for Claire McCaskill. So I will bigly, hugely admit that I was wrong, and I will apologize to Michael J. Fox, if I am wrong in characterizing his behavior on this commercial as an act, especially since people are telling me they have seen him this way on other interviews and in other television appearances.

Make up your mind Professor. Either you saw a "huge difference" between the two videos or you didn't. DO you have any of your OWN thoughts on this? :laugh:

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
ProfJohn and Pabster, you guys are complete and utter tools.

Spoken from the first tool in the drawer...

Parkinson's sufferers have good and bad days, some days they are as solid as rocks and others as shaky as a twig in a gale force wind. It doesn't matter how many meds they are on. Furthermore, many shows edit out MJF's "bad times" to make it appear better.

Don't tell me about Parkinson's, son. I have 2 family members who suffer from it.

You guys will stoop to any level to try and besmirch people. I have personally seen Parkinson's sufferers in my life and it ain't pretty. You guys need to get a clue.

See above.

First off, I am not your "son" you jerk. Don't try and belittle me by acting like an adult or a superior, you are neither in my opinion. I don't try and belittle you in such a way and I ask for the same.

Second, your attitude towards this situation really belies your experiences. If you did have personal appreciation for this disease you wouldn't be agreeing with Limbaugh. However, considering your actual attitude I can only surmise that you have little to no personal experience, or, you are just being a partisan tool.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
For the record, part of what Rush actually said.

Now, people are telling me that they have seen Michael J. Fox in interviews and he does appear the same way in the interviews as he does in this commercial for Claire McCaskill. All right, then I stand corrected. I've seen him on Boston Legal. I've seen him on a number of stand-up appearances. I know he's got it; it's pitiable that he has the disease. It is a debilitating disease, and I understand that fully. Just stick with me on this.

All I'm saying is I've never seen him the way he appears in this commercial for Claire McCaskill. So I will bigly, hugely admit that I was wrong, and I will apologize to Michael J. Fox, if I am wrong in characterizing his behavior on this commercial as an act, especially since people are telling me they have seen him this way on other interviews and in other television appearances.

Make up your mind Professor. Either you saw a "huge difference" between the two videos or you didn't. DO you have any of your OWN thoughts on this? :laugh:

Of course he doesn't have his own opinion, just what is fed to him.

 

[AutumnRayne]

After watching my grandfather fight with Parkinson's for many years I can tell you that it is not uncommon for them to have very good and sometimes very bad days. I could go visit my grandfather on a tuesday, and he would seem almost normal, you wouldn't think there was anything wrong. However you could go back the very next day and it would seem like you were seeing a completely different person.

I think MJF is only doing what he feels is right by fighting for stem cell research. Everyone wants to get upset that he is standing with a democrat for support. However the GOP already took their stance on stem cell research and said no. Do you really think he should go to the republicans, even after they have spoken out against stem cell research, and seek their help?

 

[shurato]

I'm going to throw up by the sight of some of the heartless neocons on here. When I was in college, I had a great professor with Parkinsons... he had good days and bad days. Do you think he fvckin skipped his medication to shake about violently for the hell of it while teaching us? I guess if it fits your political motives, you can also be a certified doctor. Scumbags.

 

[DealMonkey]

Jesus Tapdancing Christ, you wingnuts have really gone too far this time, haven't you? All of this insinuation (or outright accusations) about how Fox is exaggerating and blah blah blah. Do you listen to the crap coming out of your mouths? Ever?

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
You know...
Let's get the soldier who lost both his arms in Iraq and is suing Michael Moore, remember that guy? And let's have him film a commercial where he gets all teary eyed and such and then says:
"we must stay in Iraq until we win, otherwise the sacrifices made be me and thousands of others will be for nothing."

Now I get the feeling that 30 seconds after that ad airs half the people in this board will be flipping out and posting how wrong it is for him to say that.
The more effective the ad is the more anger we would see as well. ...

You might have a point if people were smearing him by suggesting he faked losing his arms. Otherwise, you're just duhverting from your own repugnant comments again.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
ProfJohn and Pabster, you guys are complete and utter tools.

Spoken from the first tool in the drawer...

Parkinson's sufferers have good and bad days, some days they are as solid as rocks and others as shaky as a twig in a gale force wind. It doesn't matter how many meds they are on. Furthermore, many shows edit out MJF's "bad times" to make it appear better.

Don't tell me about Parkinson's, son. I have 2 family members who suffer from it.

You guys will stoop to any level to try and besmirch people. I have personally seen Parkinson's sufferers in my life and it ain't pretty. You guys need to get a clue.

See above.

First off, I am not your "son" you jerk. Don't try and belittle me by acting like an adult or a superior, you are neither in my opinion. I don't try and belittle you in such a way and I ask for the same.

Second, your attitude towards this situation really belies your experiences. If you did have personal appreciation for this disease you wouldn't be agreeing with Limbaugh. However, considering your actual attitude I can only surmise that you have little to no personal experience, or, you are just being a partisan tool.

If memory serves Pabster is something like 25, far too young to have fathered anyone in P&N. This is definitely just partisan trolling by the same morons who "diagnosed" Terri Schiavo as healthy when 90% of her brain had withered away. You would think they'd have enough shame to feel bad about insinuating that a man with Parkinson's is malingering, but you'd be wrong.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
For the record, part of what Rush actually said.

Now, people are telling me that they have seen Michael J. Fox in interviews and he does appear the same way in the interviews as he does in this commercial for Claire McCaskill. All right, then I stand corrected. I've seen him on Boston Legal. I've seen him on a number of stand-up appearances. I know he's got it; it's pitiable that he has the disease. It is a debilitating disease, and I understand that fully. Just stick with me on this.

All I'm saying is I've never seen him the way he appears in this commercial for Claire McCaskill. So I will bigly, hugely admit that I was wrong, and I will apologize to Michael J. Fox, if I am wrong in characterizing his behavior on this commercial as an act, especially since people are telling me they have seen him this way on other interviews and in other television appearances.

Make up your mind Professor. Either you saw a "huge difference" between the two videos or you didn't. DO you have any of your OWN thoughts on this? :laugh:

I never said I saw a "huge" difference. We have enough misinformation on here without people putting words into peoples mouths.

What I did say was "he is no where near as bad as he is in the commercial" for the ABC story, which I think he true. You can tell he is suffering, but there is no moving side to side.

And on the TV show clip there is no doubt at all that he shows very little evidence of Parkinson's.

I would like to see a clip from this years Boston Legal.
If he can control it for the TV show, either via medicine or filming during his "good" days or moments, then why didn't they do that for the TV commercial?

Can anyone offer me an explanation for that? Other than the obvious, the Fox in the commercial is going to be a lot more effective than the TV show Fox will be.

BTW: Everything above is MY thoughts. Now go look at all three videos and tell me what you think of the differences between them.