I'll paraphrase what Rush says:
I will never vote for a Democrat, because the party that has a conservative reputation is the Republican party, even though the Democrats are better at keeping a balanced budget ever since Reagan, the great conservative president who ran up the deficit.
I will never vote for a Democrat, because the party that has a conservative reputation is the Republican party, even though the Democrats are better at keeping a balanced budget ever since Reagan, the great conservative president who ran up the deficit.
13Gigatons
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Limbaugh is a die hard conservative, always has been. He criticized the GOP for running a lousy campaign and not sticking to the issues he feels are important.
The truth is that the Republicans ran themselves out of Washington by not cracking the whip more on Bush's plan for Iraq instead just signing a blank check. They have also run up the National debt like a teenager with a credit card. A failing war and skyrocketing national debt should get you thrown out, of course all the scandals didn't help the GOP.
Oh well Democrats will have their turn to screw things up now.
The truth is that the Republicans ran themselves out of Washington by not cracking the whip more on Bush's plan for Iraq instead just signing a blank check. They have also run up the National debt like a teenager with a credit card. A failing war and skyrocketing national debt should get you thrown out, of course all the scandals didn't help the GOP.
Oh well Democrats will have their turn to screw things up now.
When you're not happy that 'your team' is not doing well, you criticize it and work to make it better. My team is not the Democratic Party, nor is it the Republican Party. My team is, haha, Team America - which has not been doing so hot the past five years. Continuing to vote for a Republican stranglehold was clearly not going to change that. I guess it takes a 'small brain' to step above blind partisan allegiance.
As I've already said, the Republicans often criticized the Dems for having no platform other than 'we're not Republicans'. The Republican platform the last five years has been to embrace Christian zealotry, abandon science & innovation, waste American lives & $$$ on Iraq, and let real threats (NK, Iran, the fundamental roots of terrorism) continue to grow. The Democrats will hopefully provide a check to that unproductive & dangerous platform. And considering yesterday, I don't think I'm in the minority opinion.
Republicans have thoroughly failed to convince America that their platform is the way to go. Now that they've been slapped across the face by Americans, whimpering that 'at least they're not the Dems' is simply pathetic & smacks of blind partisan sheepery.
LunarRay
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Once the Ship of State takes on too much water it will travel in a most inopportune direction at an ever increasing rate... until the inevitable collision with reality does no more damage than the pressure coming from the depth to which it sank.
It don't much matter what Limbaugh says or implies when at the end of the day real lives lost in Iraq's war of lies send their ghosts to haunt the brave leaders whose noble decisions to sacrifice and by all means triumph led to their untimely departure..
It don't much matter what Limbaugh says or implies when at the end of the day real lives lost in Iraq's war of lies send their ghosts to haunt the brave leaders whose noble decisions to sacrifice and by all means triumph led to their untimely departure..
Rush is right. The Republicans didn't trumpet their triumphs whatsoever. Typical mud slinging campaign by all. But hindsight is always 20/20 and it is easy to be an armchair QB on Monday morning.
I am a hardcore conservative. And now that the democRATS have won the majority they will push thru (or try anyways) killing babies for stem cells, higher minimum wage for those that dropped out of high school and didn't go to college because they were too lazy, and reduce our military and intelligence agencies to nothing because, like Clinton, they loathe the military.
Bush has 2 years left to get things going and the republicans have 2 years to find proper leadership.
Oh, I am so hardcore republican it is insane. But for the first time in my 16 years of voting I voted for a democrat. Granted it was only county council but he was one who didn't want a stupid civic center in my town. He didn't win. I am very sad. Will I ever vote for another democrat? We'll see. But never a democrat for president of the United States of Americal.
I am a hardcore conservative. And now that the democRATS have won the majority they will push thru (or try anyways) killing babies for stem cells, higher minimum wage for those that dropped out of high school and didn't go to college because they were too lazy, and reduce our military and intelligence agencies to nothing because, like Clinton, they loathe the military.
Bush has 2 years left to get things going and the republicans have 2 years to find proper leadership.
Oh, I am so hardcore republican it is insane. But for the first time in my 16 years of voting I voted for a democrat. Granted it was only county council but he was one who didn't want a stupid civic center in my town. He didn't win. I am very sad. Will I ever vote for another democrat? We'll see. But never a democrat for president of the United States of Americal.
DT4K
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It may surprise you to know that although I voted for Bush, I also voted for Clinton twice and I don't have a "team". I agree with most of what you said, but you are making assumptions based on your own opinion that not everyone shares. Not everyone agrees that Team America isn't doing so hot. And not everyone thinks that the Republican control is a "stranglehold" that needs to be broken.
Regardless of your opinions on whether Rush is right or wrong, I think it's pretty clear that his actions were not based on blind loyalty, but on the lesser of two evils. Clearly he thinks many things were going in the right direction, which he pointed out. No terrorist attacks on US soil, lower gas prices, record low unemployment, record high Dow Jones. So obviously, despite his criticism of the Republicans, he truly believed our country was better off with them in control rather than Democrats. And despite what you all keep saying, he has not been blindly supporting the GOP. He has spent the last few months talking about what the Republicans have done wrong, but urging people to vote for them anyway. Not because of partisan loyalty, but because the alternative would take us further away from their conservative values.
A more accurate wording of the criticism: 'at least they're not the dems' would be 'at least they're more conservative than the dems'.
Sorry dude but that is the biggest crock of SH!T "defense" statement I've heard yet!
He is a partisan hack in lock-step with the Bush regime and is now pandering/sniveling because the repug's were on the receiving end of an a$$-whooping like the dem's received in '94.
Maybe if the j@ck-@ss actually thought before he opened his frickin mouth people would be more apt to cut him some slack. Slack, I might add, that he never offers to anyone else with differing viewpoints. He's getting what he deserves.
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Great, we have a start to productive dialogue. No terrorist attacks on US soil? Of course that's a good thing. But at what cost? More soldiers have died in Iraq & Afghanistan than died on 9.11. And, are we breeding even more hatred for the US through our actions? I think the answer to that is yes. I think on this issue the Dems clearly win, despite the fearmongering perpetrated by Rove over the last five years.
Lower gas prices? I don't know how you arrive at that conclusion, but I'd welcome figures that support your claim, because that is not my observation. To be honest, I don't want gas prices to go down, I want them to go up. Because I want America to kick its oil addiction. The Repubs have had five years to foster this recovery - they've done absolutely nothing towards this end. The Dems will.
Record low unemployment? Yes, this is obviously good. But again, what type of jobs are we creating? Good jobs that keep us on top in the realms of engineering, innovation, biotech/biomed, manufacturing? Or service industry jobs that don't pay well & have no benefits? Repubs, imho, do a better job of fostering the economy, but lately they've done nothing to stem the export of manufacturing jobs (yeah, I know it was Clinton who signed off on NAFTA). But Dems do a better job of making education accessible, and education is required for good jobs. They also support science & the development of high technology far more strongly than do the Repubs (because they spend money on emerging research for the sake of research with an eye far down the road, not just on research with an immediate payoff), which is the foundation upon which our juggernaut economy has been built over the last half century.
Record high Dow Jones? Again, yeah, that's good. But we also have record high consumer debt & record high deficits. This is neither a Republican nor a Democrat issue. This is an issue of personal fiscal responsibility on the part of individual Americans.
The majority of Americans agree with the thrust of what I outlined above, not what Rush or other Repubs think. 'At least they're more conservative than the Dems' is not an effective counterargument to those I've made.
ProfJohn
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We do think the issues through.
Deciding on whom to for vote also requires that we decide which issues are most important to us as individuals.
The things that many of the most liberal members on P&N complain about do not bother me a bit. Which is why they support Democrats, and I do not.
I am first and foremost a conservative. If I believed that voting Democratic would result in the advancement of the conservative agenda then I would do that.
But let's be honest, that will most likely not happen during our lives.
Jaskalas
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If you actually read his statement, it's stating that conservatives deserved losing because "conservative ideology was nowhere to be found". It's a simple complaint that they didn't stand up for what they believed in.
Oh, but from the bold part of your statement, you'd prefer people to be partisan hacks, the sort that vote blindly R and D. Don't worry, plenty Dems here to keep you company.
LunarRay
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Conservative from what vista? Seems to me the Left has marched in step with the Nation toward what years ago would be seen as moderate Republican ideals. And the Right has moved to the door of Genghis Khan...
Clinton supporting NAFTA... at the expense of someone in the short term... and perhaps everyone in the long term... Reagan's (or Laffer's) Trickle Down to the upper class incurring debt with expectation of the Rapture, I think..
Always into someone else's business... not a bit of 'at home' concern. Internationally, we are everywhere and always somewhere we ought not be.
Bush the Elder's insanity in Iraq... If we'd only sorted the problem out then we might have saved trillions and have been 'the talk of the town' around the world... IF only!
We ought to be doing the most Right Sided thinking when it comes to conservation of energy but we don't much care bout that for some reason... Who'd get hurt from that adventure.. ??
WE All... demand security but yet don't do the easiest thing of all to secure it.. We align ourselves with all manner of 'bad guy' when it suits us but condemn them when that suits us too... Why not embrace our enemy and let them be what they are in their own land.. we demand that for ourselves... Human Rights are predicated on Freedom.. but Religious Human Rights are predicated on what someone interprets as the word of God.. so let it be.... That is the Conservative approach... or should be..
"But we have had no choice but to stand behind the Republicans. "
And that is why we are in the sad state that we are today.. people won't talk against their "own party." It is all a game of sides to fools like you.
I think YOU miss the point. You should think of what is GOOD for the nation not what you THINK is good for the nation.
Bitek
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As alreasy written, I think what the conservatives have written here proves why the lost the election: party allegance over country;blind, angry partisanship; and general lack of oversight and consequences.
Teh Reps were given huge blank checks by their followers, and they cashed them for all thier worth and now their wondering why they got burned.
My hope this election was a repudiation of extremism. The pres and the congress over the last 6 years has made a concerted effort to just run the country for their minorities, and just pull in enough ind voters on wedge issues. Divide and Conquer, the only choice is victory for our side. This is why so many people hate Bush(ism), he works against so many Americans.
They've poisoned the country so much (which Rush and clones are highly complicit too) and now its finally worked its way back to them. Hopefully the Dems don't go for vengence and go extreme anti-right, but actually try to govern with civility and find moderate compromises on issues. If not, they'll get tossed out too.
If the Cons are so scared of the Dems going hardline, its bc its what they are thinking they would do, and have guilty conciences over what they've been doing the last 6 years.
Teh Reps were given huge blank checks by their followers, and they cashed them for all thier worth and now their wondering why they got burned.
My hope this election was a repudiation of extremism. The pres and the congress over the last 6 years has made a concerted effort to just run the country for their minorities, and just pull in enough ind voters on wedge issues. Divide and Conquer, the only choice is victory for our side. This is why so many people hate Bush(ism), he works against so many Americans.
They've poisoned the country so much (which Rush and clones are highly complicit too) and now its finally worked its way back to them. Hopefully the Dems don't go for vengence and go extreme anti-right, but actually try to govern with civility and find moderate compromises on issues. If not, they'll get tossed out too.
If the Cons are so scared of the Dems going hardline, its bc its what they are thinking they would do, and have guilty conciences over what they've been doing the last 6 years.
Savage now calls Bush a liberal and that Bush wanted the Democrats to win so he could pass amnesty for Illegals. All These talk show windbags on the radio have no loyalty just like politicians.. All they care about is money and staying on the air!
When I say loyalty I mean loyalty to their supposed ideals. You can bet Rush was defending the GOP incumbents right up until they lost. Now, since supporting them would mean he was wrong, he pulled a Bush and was apparently never 'pro-GOP'. What a joke.
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